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Answering the Biggest Objections to Christianity by Dr Ravi Zacharias

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good evening everyone welcome it is

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really good to have you so QA huh you

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guys like the QA all right good

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welcome everybody who’s here in the

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sanctuary those of you over in the cafe

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in the gym in the conference room the

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choir room those of you at the block at

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Stowe and Aurora those you’re tuning in

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online welcome it’s great to have

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everybody all right let me tell you how

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this is going to work tonight

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and then I’m going to well invite Ravi

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up and we’ll go ahead and start if

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you’re on the hudson campus then

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wherever you are you need to make your

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way if you want to ask a question you

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can make your way to the back right

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there and you’ll talk to somebody who

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will help you frame your question and

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then you’ll come down to the mic and

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then ask your question if you’ll stay

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there as long as ravi takes to answer

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your question that’d be great if you’re

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at one of the other campuses then you

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will text in your questions and you will

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there’ll be a number on the screen right

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now and then as you text those questions

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they will come to my phone i’ll be up

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here and i’m going to be checking my

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phone so i’ll Ravi’s answering a

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question i’m not playing a game on my

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phone I’ll be checking my phone for the

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text for the and then I’ll ask a

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question the questions from the campuses

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and let me tell you what I really hope

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this night will be for I want you to ask

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questions that you’ve been asked as

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you’ve tried to share your faith that

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have been troublesome for you that where

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you’ve tried to answer you didn’t

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exactly have the right answer or if

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you’re here and you have a real problem

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with Christianity and with the faith and

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I want you to please feel free to ask

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the questions this is your time I don’t

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want to ask questions that are like hey

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stump the guest alright this is for to

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help us share our faith or grow in our

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faith understand our faith and be able

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to defend our faith all right

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so that’s

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what we want those of you who have cards

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or since this is a Micah 6:8 weekend or

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any like that that you want to drop off

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their boxes in the back you can drop

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those off at any time and all that well

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any gifts will go to our Z I am Ravi

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Zacharias ministries all right all right

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let me have Robbie would you come on up

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and I’ll put you on this side

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and I’m going to go ahead and ask Robbie

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the first few questions because they’re

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questions that I get or have gotten and

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this will hopefully give you an idea of

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the kind of questions that we’re looking

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for all right and if you have a question

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you can start to make your way there not

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all right let’s see first question there

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are people that I’ve talked to or heard

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that they’ll say science has always been

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closing the gap between what we know

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what we don’t know and before science

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became oh so relevant to our lives and

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so advanced people used God to fill

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those gaps well for instance very early

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on when Thunder would happen because

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they didn’t know really what Thunder was

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they were de tributed to the gods

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so people read the Bible the same way

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they’ll say demon possession they didn’t

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know what schizophrenia was they didn’t

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know what a Pepsi was so they attributed

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it to demon possessions and eventually

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our knowledge with science will grow to

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such an extent it’ll close all the gaps

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and there is no need for God how do you

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respond to that

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I don’t know okay thanks to everybody

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for coming yeah that’s great

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I asked you I could also make an opening

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statement so that you know how these

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questions are going to be answered and

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then I will take that the gaps of

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metaphysics and all other disciplines

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over against a scientific single vision

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which is what that proposition is

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talking about there’s a funny story

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often tell of these two guys who are

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talking to each other and one full of

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says to him you know I’m a little bit

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thirsty and so I’d like to make a bet

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with you I’d like to ask myself a

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question and if I answer it why don’t

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you buy me a coke so the guy says what

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did you say you’ll ask yourself a

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question and if you answer it I buy you

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a coke he said he said that’s not a

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battery so no no no then you ask

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yourself a question and if you answer it

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I’ll buy you one and we’ll keep going

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this way till one of us asks ourselves a

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question we can’t answer fella this is

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strangest bet I’ve ever heard of he said

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but since he proposed it go ahead and

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begin

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so the fella said my question to me is

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this how does a rabbit burrow a hole

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deep into the ground without throwing

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mud onto the outside he said that’s my

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question to me how does a rabbit

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how can a rabbit burrow hole deep into

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the ground without throwing mud onto the

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outside and he said my answer it let’s

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start borrowing from the inside the

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other guy says how does it do that he

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says I don’t know that’s your question

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I was walking through the Newark Airport

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some years ago it was about 6:00 6:30

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I’d taken a long 14-hour flight I think

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it is from Bangkok or somewhere and as I

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was walking went to the gate just looked

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at the Marquee and it showed a different

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flight to mine I was looking for my

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flight to Atlanta from New York and so I

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tapped the lady on the shoulder and said

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to her is this going where it says it’s

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going or is it supposed to be going to

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Atlanta she said oh no it’s going to

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Atlanta this just a previous previous

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flight as I said well good to know that

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so I turn around to walk away and heard

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the patter of feet behind me and then

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she tapped me on the shoulder she said

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excuse me are you Ravi Zacharias

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I said I’m afraid so yes I am she said

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that is absolutely amazing I never

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thought you would have questions either

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the fact of the matter is we all have

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questions I believe there’s a difference

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between a question and a doubt a

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question is probing trying to unpack

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trying to get deeper and deeper into a

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subject a doubt sort of becomes a

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stumbling block in your journey to an

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answer I look at a 1 2 3 4 5 grid and

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I’ll give you this and then stock the

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answer to the first question because I

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think this very critical one truth is

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the ultimate goal in all of our

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questions and our pursuits truth is the

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most valuable thing in the world it was

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Winston Churchill who said in warfare

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truth is the most valuable thing in the

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world it’s so valuable that oftentimes

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it’s protected by a bodyguard of lies we

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have to get to the truth number two how

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do we test the truth there are two broad

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Furies one is called the correspondence

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theory the other is the coherence theory

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when you go into a court of law and the

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witness is being asked to give answers

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the attorney is looking for two

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components here are the answers

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corresponding to reality and when all of

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the answers are put together

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is there a coherence to these answers so

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it is generally acknowledged that this

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correspondence and

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coherence and then three you test the

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truth by logical consistency empirical

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adequacy and experiential relevance is

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it logically consistent is there an

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empirical way to verify this or is just

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an assertion that is not even

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falsifiable and ultimately is there any

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experience or relevance to this one

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truth to correspondents coherence three

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logical consistency empirical adequacy

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expansion relevance for there are four

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questions you deal with origin meaning

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morality and destiny now it’s very

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important what I’ve just said to you a

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worldview deals with these four subjects

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where did I come from what gives life

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meaning how do I differentiate between

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good and evil and what happens to human

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being when he or she dies origin meaning

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morality and destiny now to get to these

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this is the biggest challenge

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there really are five disciplines you

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have to pull together especially in a

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worldview that’s claiming all of the

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answers are there for these questions of

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origin meaning morality and destiny God

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knowledge reality man morality God deals

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with theology knowledge deals with

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epistemology how do I get to this

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reality deals with metaphysics morality

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deals with ethics and man deals with

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anthropology save got theology

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you’ve got metaphysics got epistemology

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you’ve got morality and you’ve all got

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anthropology all of this brought into

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that so as I attempt to answer your

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questions remember this is what I’m

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actually trying to accomplish present

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you the coherence of the Christian

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worldview how it is coherent and

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consistent with all of the claims that

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it makes if you counter that you have to

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put your worldview to the same test can

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you really put the answers together with

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the five various disciplines the four

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questions the three tests the two

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categories and the ultimate pursuit of

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truth I just wanted you to have that in

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your background now I can go home and

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you can start answer asking yourself the

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questions here the issue of the gaps

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science will one day conquer everything

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every agnostic terrain that we walked

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through it’s not only a pipe dream

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it is false even the great Stephen

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Hawking attempted to do that in his

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latest book when he was talking about

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how he was going to give a pursue for a

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theory of everything and so on and in

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his on page five of the book he makes

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this comment he said philosophy is dead

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when he said the philosophy is dead

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we the phylogeny didn’t have to respond

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to him the philosophers responded to him

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and the chairman of the philosophy

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department at Cambridge where I did Maya

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some of my philosophical work he made

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this comment to Stephen Hawking and to

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the rest he said maybe it’s about time

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that the irregular professor Hawking

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recognized that we have kept up with his

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discipline much more than he has with

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ours and that’s in the end it was the

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book the grand design which Hawking had

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written that philosophy is dead science

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was going to come up with a theory of

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everything

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maybe the ocular professor Hawking needs

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to realize we have kept up much more

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with his discipline than with he then he

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has kept up with ours today at lunch are

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having an interesting conversation with

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a total skeptic and now our friends and

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another friend Jared is here in the

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audience and they’re Webber and their

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discussion at lunch and the southern

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gentleman you know looked at a kind of a

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scientific single vision for life to is

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going to explain it all here although he

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had studied philosophy and he went on to

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say you know I love these two guys I

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love sand and I love Jared I said wait a

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minute

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what scientific theory defines love for

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you you have just made a philosophical

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assertion not a scientific assertion is

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there any objective point of reference

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for the definition of love

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these are metaphysical propositions and

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Michael Polanyi

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the great philosopher of science in his

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life life work called personal knowledge

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which was a required

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text in the philosophy of science for

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years and years and years you go into

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any philosophy of science professors

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room and you will see Michael polanyi’s

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book they’re sitting front and center

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and he warned scientists not to make the

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cardinal blunder of thinking that

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science is going to explain everything

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for example if you’re a scientist and

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you’re in the laboratory and you’re

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doing your experimentation looking for a

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scientific single vision of life here’s

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my question for you what scientific

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imperative tells you that you must be

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honest in your findings that’s not a

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scientific argument that is a

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philosophical argument an argument of

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why you should be truthful do we expect

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our scientists to tell the truth do we

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expect the findings to be revealed as

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truth science may get us to many many

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hills that we can climb and of arrived

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at but the ultimate question of life is

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going to be one of meaning and purpose

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and loving relationships that will not

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come to you from a scientific single

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vision of life that’s why the founder of

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the Goddard Institute of Space Robert

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Jastrow is known so well for that famous

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statement in his book God and the

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astronomers why he said for the

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scientist who’s been living by this

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dream events that is going to arrive at

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all of the answers in in going to alive

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I arrived at all of these answers by

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science alone that dream is going to end

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as they climb higher and higher and

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higher up the mountain and they scale up

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right to the top to think they found the

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final answer and they might well be

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greeted by a band of theologians who’ve

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been sitting there for centuries that

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was just rows common now I want to read

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for you one more statement on this and

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then we’ll move on and that is this

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statement by the famed physicist David

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Berlinski who responded to Richard

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Dawkins his book The God Delusion

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Berlinski who’s an agnostic he’s of a

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Jewish background is an agnostic if not

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a skeptic

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wrote a book in response to the Dawkins

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book The God Delusion his was called the

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devil’s delusion and in the flap of that

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book here’s what Berlinski a skeptic

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says as anyone provided a proof of God’s

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in existence not even close

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has quantum cosmology explained the

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emergence of the universe or why it is

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here not even close

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have the sciences explained why our

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universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow

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for the existence of life

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not even close our physicists and

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biologists willing to believe in

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anything so long as it is not religious

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thought close enough has rationalism and

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moral thought provided us with an

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understanding of what is good what is

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right and what is moral not close enough

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has secularism in the terrible 20th

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century being a force for the good not

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even close to being close is there an or

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and narrow Orthodox narrow and

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oppressive orthodoxy of thought and

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opinion within the sciences close enough

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there’s anything into anything in the

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sciences or in their philosophy justify

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the claim that religious belief is

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irrational not even in the ballpark

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scientific atheism is scientific atheism

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of frivolous exercise and intellectual

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contempt

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dead on now that’s Berlinski

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he’s not trying to make a case for any

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religion he says I’m not there I’m an

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agnostic I’m a skeptic he said but then

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the sciences move into this terrain with

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the autocracy and the arrogance of a

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single scientific vision for all of

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reality they are moving beyond the

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purview of science and are becoming very

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unscientific at that point so I say to

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you science has been of a great help in

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getting us to so many arenas and helping

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us with medicine and knowledge and all

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of that but science will never be able

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to answer the questions of love meaning

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and purpose and if the scientific

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premises turn out to be true that we are

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the random colocation of atoms of time

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plus matter plus chance you will be left

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with no moral perspective on which to

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condemn anybody who chooses to behead

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someone in public and gloat over it

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because those are moral issues we are

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dealing with and science doesn’t deal

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with

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allottee and if it talks about the

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evolution of morality then it is

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deterministic and if it is deterministic

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it is not making a true assertion and

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therefore if it says that morality is

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not true the assertion itself either

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claims to be true or is not true and if

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it claims to be true then it goes beyond

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science so I just tell you they’ve got a

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big gap between science and ultimate

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metaphysics and that gap can only be

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filled by true religious thought that is

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coherent and corresponding to reality

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that’s it ok all right

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actually I kind of hope that answer

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would be short enough for me to remember

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go ahead this is how we sell CDs okay

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all right

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in a number of places in the Bible God

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seems to refer to himself in the third

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person this morning we’re studying the

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Great Commission where he says all Power

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has been given to me people use that to

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say that he never claimed he was divine

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we kind of put that on him later

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I was wondering I’ve been asked that

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question I was wondering how you

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addressed that question that Jesus never

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claimed to be denying right like in the

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Bible they say never directly said I am

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you know he says I am the way the truth

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the life he says a number of things

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other than I am God if he got my battle

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their penis badou several passages if

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you look for example at John 8 where he

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is described to be the I am nothing

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could be a greater claim then before

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Abraham was I am

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he says that is the very word of Yahweh

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I am before Abraham was I am is already

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his eternal existence in Denmark chapter

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9 and 62 he is asked indeed if he is the

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son of God and he a Francis that in the

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affirmative when in John chapter 20 when

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Thomas comes to him and reaches and

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touches his side hokule’as mu o ther

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Osmo my Lord and my god in Matthew 16

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where Peter is talking to Jesus and

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Jesus says who do men say that I am and

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you know he posits the possibility of

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Elijah Oh John the Baptist who do you

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sit on now what the Christ the Son of

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the Living God he said blessed are You

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Simon flesh and blood has not revealed

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this to you but my father was in heaven

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if you go on to John 18 where he is

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standing in front of Pontius Pilate the

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very claim that he makes are you the

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king then and he says to G he says to

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Pilate who’s put this question to you or

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as you are asking this question of your

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own and finally he looks at him and says

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you’re right in saying that I’m a king

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but my kingdom is not of this world

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so if you look at my mock nine if you

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look at Matthew 16 if you look at John

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eight John 20

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and the biggest question you have is why

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did Jesus actually why was he crucified

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he was crucified because he claimed to

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be the very son of God

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by contrast let me put this to you when

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Muhammad started receiving a revelation

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he didn’t even know what was happening

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he claimed to be receiving all this

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revelation and he went back and told his

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wife what was happening she said the

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angel is telling you something you know

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go and listen so he had no self

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awareness self awareness or what was

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going on Jesus knew exactly who he was

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before Abraham was I am

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flesh and blood has not revealed to you

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but my father in heaven is in heaven

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that I’m the Christ the Son of the

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Living God so it’s not just the I am the

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way and the truth and the life he claims

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to be pre-existent before any human

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being and that is only an attribute of

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the divine

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this is a question from the stokke

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campus and it’ll say it says how do you

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respond to non-believers who accuse

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Christians of being hateful to people

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who support lifestyles that are not

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according to the precepts of our faith I

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think this is a very important question

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and they all are really I’d be a

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dishonest person if I said to you that

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that question doesn’t worry me that I

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don’t even think about it

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in fact we as a team our entire team

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people like Nabeel Qureshi Michael

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Ramsden oz Guinness a Maori Ewing aren’t

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ice because team often sat around the

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table and said you know how do we deal

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with this very trying social issue of

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our time and even though the word is not

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used here the idea is you know the

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Dhamma sexual lifestyle and all that has

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come about in our time how do we as

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Christians deal with it so Joe if you

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don’t mind I’d like to take an extended

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answer in this you know let me give you

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about three panels of an answer the

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first panel is the logical problem the

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second panel is what I call the

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theological problem and the third panel

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is what I would call the relational

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problem how you communicate it so let me

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take first of all the sociological issue

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here what is the problem now we talked

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about tolerance so when I was at one of

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the prestigious universities somebody

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went to the microphone and ask this

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question and I said to the person I said

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I will be glad to answer your question

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if you will first answer mine what kind

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of a culture are we living in you have

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to define it for me I said as far as I

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know there are three cultures in

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relation to absolute the first quest the

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first culture is called a thick Animus

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culture where the law of God is

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supposedly so embedded into our hearts

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00:22:26,310 –> 00:22:29,730
that we all emotive ly or otherwise

526
00:22:29,730 –> 00:22:32,610
think in the same categories once upon a

527
00:22:32,610 –> 00:22:35,160
time we would talk about in the natural

528
00:22:35,160 –> 00:22:38,310
law in those categories natural law we

529
00:22:38,310 –> 00:22:40,110
believe these truths to be self-evident

530
00:22:40,110 –> 00:22:42,300
the early framers believed in the

531
00:22:42,300 –> 00:22:44,250
natural law we don’t believe in natural

532
00:22:44,250 –> 00:22:44,770
law

533
00:22:44,770 –> 00:22:47,500
anymore but we used to talk about and

534
00:22:47,500 –> 00:22:49,720
that’s a thick anima sculpture fellas

535
00:22:49,720 –> 00:22:53,110
god no mas law sometimes the Indian

536
00:22:53,110 –> 00:22:55,510
culture will get close to that it’s not

537
00:22:55,510 –> 00:22:57,760
always the case but they sort of Darth

538
00:22:57,760 –> 00:22:59,650
Academy is what they will say we are

539
00:22:59,650 –> 00:23:02,050
people of the soil and the idea of

540
00:23:02,050 –> 00:23:04,360
respect for parents and all of that they

541
00:23:04,360 –> 00:23:07,450
consider to be self-evident ingrained in

542
00:23:07,450 –> 00:23:10,000
the heart of man and so on but we don’t

543
00:23:10,000 –> 00:23:12,250
believe in the Theon immerse culture and

544
00:23:12,250 –> 00:23:14,350
then in the West so what’s the second

545
00:23:14,350 –> 00:23:15,910
kind of culture the second kind of

546
00:23:15,910 –> 00:23:17,830
culture is a heteronomous culture

547
00:23:17,830 –> 00:23:20,320
heteros meaning another No Mas meaning

548
00:23:20,320 –> 00:23:22,450
law so we have another law what does

549
00:23:22,450 –> 00:23:25,540
that mean the mainstream of the culture

550
00:23:25,540 –> 00:23:28,810
is dictated to by the leadership at the

551
00:23:28,810 –> 00:23:31,900
top if you look at Marxism in secular

552
00:23:31,900 –> 00:23:34,630
terms it is a heteronomous culture the

553
00:23:34,630 –> 00:23:36,580
handful and the top will control the

554
00:23:36,580 –> 00:23:38,740
masses if you look at Islam it’s a

555
00:23:38,740 –> 00:23:40,990
heteronomous culture if you go to Saudi

556
00:23:40,990 –> 00:23:43,180
Arabia or you go to Iran which are

557
00:23:43,180 –> 00:23:45,070
supposed to be truly Islamic countries

558
00:23:45,070 –> 00:23:47,380
the mullahs of the sheikh so who are the

559
00:23:47,380 –> 00:23:49,480
ayatollahs of the top will tell the

560
00:23:49,480 –> 00:23:51,700
masses when they must fast when they can

561
00:23:51,700 –> 00:23:53,860
eat what they must wear what they must

562
00:23:53,860 –> 00:23:55,750
not wear who they can be seen with who

563
00:23:55,750 –> 00:23:57,880
they cannot be seen with all of the

564
00:23:57,880 –> 00:24:00,310
dictates even to the discipline of how

565
00:24:00,310 –> 00:24:02,350
you wash your hands and feet before you

566
00:24:02,350 –> 00:24:04,690
worship and so on it’s a heteronomous

567
00:24:04,690 –> 00:24:07,420
culture the few at the top dictated for

568
00:24:07,420 –> 00:24:09,010
the masses below so I looked at the

569
00:24:09,010 –> 00:24:11,200
question and I said are we at the Honors

570
00:24:11,200 –> 00:24:12,490
College I said no I said are we a

571
00:24:12,490 –> 00:24:14,050
heteronomous College I said no we don’t

572
00:24:14,050 –> 00:24:15,400
want the view to dictate it for the

573
00:24:15,400 –> 00:24:17,170
money I said so that leaves us with the

574
00:24:17,170 –> 00:24:19,450
third which is an autonomous culture our

575
00:24:19,450 –> 00:24:21,910
toss meaning self no mas meaning law

576
00:24:21,910 –> 00:24:24,610
which means each person dictates their

577
00:24:24,610 –> 00:24:27,010
own moral prerogatives in the set I said

578
00:24:27,010 –> 00:24:28,690
are we on autonomous culture he said yes

579
00:24:28,690 –> 00:24:30,940
I saw right now tell me this if we are

580
00:24:30,940 –> 00:24:33,370
an autonomous culture and I answer your

581
00:24:33,370 –> 00:24:35,290
question are you going to give me the

582
00:24:35,290 –> 00:24:37,870
privilege of my autonomy – or as soon as

583
00:24:37,870 –> 00:24:40,210
you disagree with my answer you will

584
00:24:40,210 –> 00:24:42,040
switch to a heteronomous mode and

585
00:24:42,040 –> 00:24:44,380
dictate for me what I must believe as

586
00:24:44,380 –> 00:24:48,430
well that is the sociological dilemma

587
00:24:48,430 –> 00:24:51,580
that is the sociological dilemma because

588
00:24:51,580 –> 00:24:54,460
if a disagrees with B it’s not just that

589
00:24:54,460 –> 00:24:57,070
is being enforcing his or her principles

590
00:24:57,070 –> 00:24:59,650
upon B but B wants to enforce his or her

591
00:24:59,650 –> 00:25:02,010
principles upon it so there’s a mutual

592
00:25:02,010 –> 00:25:04,780
autocracy being sought here but it is

593
00:25:04,780 –> 00:25:06,670
never going to be consistent in a

594
00:25:06,670 –> 00:25:08,890
culture that is neither phenom us nor

595
00:25:08,890 –> 00:25:11,470
heteronomous autonomous cultures run

596
00:25:11,470 –> 00:25:14,170
into a conflict where everybody has

597
00:25:14,170 –> 00:25:16,270
their own autonomy that’s the law that’s

598
00:25:16,270 –> 00:25:18,670
a sociological issue you move beyond

599
00:25:18,670 –> 00:25:21,580
that then to the theological issue the

600
00:25:21,580 –> 00:25:24,520
theological issue is this way years ago

601
00:25:24,520 –> 00:25:27,430
I was doing some open forums at Indiana

602
00:25:27,430 –> 00:25:29,950
University and the press reporter was I

603
00:25:29,950 –> 00:25:31,420
was there with Dallas Willard we were

604
00:25:31,420 –> 00:25:33,310
both to debate doing the defense of the

605
00:25:33,310 –> 00:25:35,020
Christian faith and the Press reporter

606
00:25:35,020 –> 00:25:37,320
came and said she was filming some

607
00:25:37,320 –> 00:25:40,690
religious actions on campus for their

608
00:25:40,690 –> 00:25:43,360
network and so on do you mind if we tape

609
00:25:43,360 –> 00:25:45,460
what you’re going to talk about tonight

610
00:25:45,460 –> 00:25:47,260
I said no that’s all right here you’re

611
00:25:47,260 –> 00:25:47,620
welcome

612
00:25:47,620 –> 00:25:49,810
but she then she startled me by saying

613
00:25:49,810 –> 00:25:51,100
we’ll only be there for about five

614
00:25:51,100 –> 00:25:53,350
minutes and then we’ll be packing up and

615
00:25:53,350 –> 00:25:55,000
leaving I hope we won’t disturb you and

616
00:25:55,000 –> 00:25:57,280
I thought this is what the news does

617
00:25:57,280 –> 00:25:59,110
with the talk takes five minutes of it

618
00:25:59,110 –> 00:26:00,700
and then tells people that this is what

619
00:26:00,700 –> 00:26:03,130
was said you know I thought okay but I

620
00:26:03,130 –> 00:26:04,480
wasn’t gonna argue with I said ma’am

621
00:26:04,480 –> 00:26:06,190
you’re welcome to leave just tell your

622
00:26:06,190 –> 00:26:08,410
crew to be very quiet because once I get

623
00:26:08,410 –> 00:26:10,240
into the thick of it I really don’t like

624
00:26:10,240 –> 00:26:12,040
the distraction and they’ll be quiet

625
00:26:12,040 –> 00:26:15,010
slipping out I’ll be okay she stayed the

626
00:26:15,010 –> 00:26:17,470
whole time stayed for the whole talk

627
00:26:17,470 –> 00:26:20,290
stayed for the Q&A and then she said can

628
00:26:20,290 –> 00:26:22,450
I walk you back to where you’re staying

629
00:26:22,450 –> 00:26:24,790
I was staying on the campus I said right

630
00:26:24,790 –> 00:26:26,290
and she was walking to me it’s quite

631
00:26:26,290 –> 00:26:30,760
dark at this time and she says I have a

632
00:26:30,760 –> 00:26:33,070
question for you I said is this on the

633
00:26:33,070 –> 00:26:35,200
record or is this an off-the-record

634
00:26:35,200 –> 00:26:37,990
question she said no this is for me I

635
00:26:37,990 –> 00:26:39,490
said so you promised me this is just

636
00:26:39,490 –> 00:26:40,870
between you and me in order to print

637
00:26:40,870 –> 00:26:42,490
these answers and okay that’s all right

638
00:26:42,490 –> 00:26:45,190
I just want to know and so she said you

639
00:26:45,190 –> 00:26:47,170
know I have a problem with Christianity

640
00:26:47,170 –> 00:26:48,750
and here’s my problem

641
00:26:48,750 –> 00:26:51,870
Christians are generally against racism

642
00:26:51,870 –> 00:26:54,190
but when it comes to the homosexual they

643
00:26:54,190 –> 00:26:56,490
discriminate against allosexual

644
00:26:56,490 –> 00:26:58,830
how do you explain that

645
00:26:58,830 –> 00:27:00,660
I said I find your comments so

646
00:27:00,660 –> 00:27:02,580
interesting in the first part of the

647
00:27:02,580 –> 00:27:04,500
question it’s an ism you’re talking

648
00:27:04,500 –> 00:27:06,059
about the second part of the question

649
00:27:06,059 –> 00:27:07,740
you particular eyes it with an

650
00:27:07,740 –> 00:27:09,960
individual so I’m just fascinated by

651
00:27:09,960 –> 00:27:13,559
that that’s okay I said here’s what I

652
00:27:13,559 –> 00:27:16,190
want to say to you the reason we believe

653
00:27:16,190 –> 00:27:21,600
that discrimination ethnically is wrong

654
00:27:21,600 –> 00:27:24,690
is because the race and ethnicity of a

655
00:27:24,690 –> 00:27:28,980
person is sacred you do not violate a

656
00:27:28,980 –> 00:27:31,860
person’s ethnicity and race it is a

657
00:27:31,860 –> 00:27:35,160
sacred gift and the reason we believe in

658
00:27:35,160 –> 00:27:38,130
an absolute nester sexuality is because

659
00:27:38,130 –> 00:27:41,040
we believe sexuality is sacred as well

660
00:27:41,040 –> 00:27:43,140
and that’s why we make a choice that

661
00:27:43,140 –> 00:27:46,260
same way I said you will help me if you

662
00:27:46,260 –> 00:27:48,660
will tell me why you treat race as

663
00:27:48,660 –> 00:27:54,840
sacred and desacralized sexuality she

664
00:27:54,840 –> 00:27:57,000
was very quiet she said I’ve never

665
00:27:57,000 –> 00:27:59,790
thought of it in those terms here’s what

666
00:27:59,790 –> 00:28:03,270
I want to say view marriage as God has

667
00:28:03,270 –> 00:28:05,040
given it to us and if you take the whole

668
00:28:05,040 –> 00:28:07,290
corpus of the world view is the most

669
00:28:07,290 –> 00:28:10,170
sacred relationship into which you will

670
00:28:10,170 –> 00:28:14,340
enter because love is given one word in

671
00:28:14,340 –> 00:28:16,410
English but there are four words in the

672
00:28:16,410 –> 00:28:20,429
Greek agape eros storge

673
00:28:20,429 –> 00:28:23,670
and agape filler Oh storge

674
00:28:23,670 –> 00:28:27,090
and eros agape is God’s love filler who

675
00:28:27,090 –> 00:28:28,679
is friendship love or brotherly love

676
00:28:28,679 –> 00:28:31,110
story is protective love of parental

677
00:28:31,110 –> 00:28:34,170
love eros is romantic love I said do you

678
00:28:34,170 –> 00:28:36,300
realize marriage is the only one that

679
00:28:36,300 –> 00:28:38,900
pulls these four together

680
00:28:38,900 –> 00:28:43,230
agape Follette Oh storge and eros I said

681
00:28:43,230 –> 00:28:46,110
and if you take agape out of that eros

682
00:28:46,110 –> 00:28:49,880
is gone for whatever you want to do

683
00:28:49,880 –> 00:28:53,370
romantic love becomes redefined and to

684
00:28:53,370 –> 00:28:55,740
us the Bible gives the sacredness of

685
00:28:55,740 –> 00:28:58,890
marriage as Christ is to the church the

686
00:28:58,890 –> 00:29:01,050
bridegroom and the bride and in that

687
00:29:01,050 –> 00:29:03,720
sacredness the beauty of a consummate

688
00:29:03,720 –> 00:29:05,380
relationship between a man

689
00:29:05,380 –> 00:29:07,930
woman as it is shown and the singular

690
00:29:07,930 –> 00:29:10,480
commitment of the marital vow I do and I

691
00:29:10,480 –> 00:29:12,700
will when you say I do to the one you

692
00:29:12,700 –> 00:29:15,370
say I don’t do all of the others and you

693
00:29:15,370 –> 00:29:17,020
say I will to one you’re saying I won’t

694
00:29:17,020 –> 00:29:19,330
to all of the others so any departure

695
00:29:19,330 –> 00:29:22,720
from that beauty and sacredness of the

696
00:29:22,720 –> 00:29:27,100
four confluences of love is a biblical

697
00:29:27,100 –> 00:29:30,040
notion of what it really means to be

698
00:29:30,040 –> 00:29:32,560
married and to just take one behavior

699
00:29:32,560 –> 00:29:35,080
and make it look like it’s aberrant is

700
00:29:35,080 –> 00:29:38,320
not right all departures from that are

701
00:29:38,320 –> 00:29:42,370
not acceptable in the sight of God the

702
00:29:42,370 –> 00:29:45,100
theological position is a consummate

703
00:29:45,100 –> 00:29:47,470
relationship between a man and a woman

704
00:29:47,470 –> 00:29:49,930
in the procreative Act and in the

705
00:29:49,930 –> 00:29:52,150
sacredness and paying each other the

706
00:29:52,150 –> 00:29:53,890
ultimate compliment of taking each other

707
00:29:53,890 –> 00:29:54,760
at their word

708
00:29:54,760 –> 00:29:57,160
so theologically this is the way we see

709
00:29:57,160 –> 00:29:59,560
it sociologically we’ve been put into a

710
00:29:59,560 –> 00:30:01,690
conundrum so we come then in

711
00:30:01,690 –> 00:30:03,700
relationally how do we deal with it and

712
00:30:03,700 –> 00:30:07,530
here’s the hard part but you know what

713
00:30:07,530 –> 00:30:10,450
and my wife will tell you this others

714
00:30:10,450 –> 00:30:14,020
will tell you this who know me I accept

715
00:30:14,020 –> 00:30:17,250
people with a love and a genuineness

716
00:30:17,250 –> 00:30:19,510
regardless of what their view is on

717
00:30:19,510 –> 00:30:22,270
anything if it’s different to mine I

718
00:30:22,270 –> 00:30:25,180
have learned to love humanity I can put

719
00:30:25,180 –> 00:30:27,790
my arm around a person who has a

720
00:30:27,790 –> 00:30:29,410
different view on marriage or a

721
00:30:29,410 –> 00:30:31,510
different view on politics of water and

722
00:30:31,510 –> 00:30:34,420
just say you know God gives you the most

723
00:30:34,420 –> 00:30:37,720
sacred Drifter gift of the prerogative

724
00:30:37,720 –> 00:30:41,110
of choice but God does not give you the

725
00:30:41,110 –> 00:30:43,060
privilege of determining a different

726
00:30:43,060 –> 00:30:46,000
outcome to what the choice will entail

727
00:30:46,000 –> 00:30:51,100
the consequences are bound to the choice

728
00:30:51,100 –> 00:30:53,320
and you go right back to the book of

729
00:30:53,320 –> 00:30:56,170
Genesis and it tells you you do what is

730
00:30:56,170 –> 00:30:57,880
right will not you will you not be

731
00:30:57,880 –> 00:31:00,640
accepted but if you don’t sin stalk so

732
00:31:00,640 –> 00:31:02,500
they read the door desires to have you

733
00:31:02,500 –> 00:31:05,170
and so when I look at the sacredness of

734
00:31:05,170 –> 00:31:08,050
marriage any change from it from the

735
00:31:08,050 –> 00:31:10,660
biblical point of view is a departure

736
00:31:10,660 –> 00:31:12,410
from the biblical mandate

737
00:31:12,410 –> 00:31:14,540
but at the same time the Bible commands

738
00:31:14,540 –> 00:31:16,970
us to love even those with whom we

739
00:31:16,970 –> 00:31:19,850
disagree and our responsibility as the

740
00:31:19,850 –> 00:31:23,150
church is never to hate the individual

741
00:31:23,150 –> 00:31:26,390
our privilege is to love and only God

742
00:31:26,390 –> 00:31:28,760
can change the heart of a person and God

743
00:31:28,760 –> 00:31:30,880
is the ultimate judge and anaplerotic

744
00:31:30,880 –> 00:31:33,650
society let us as Christians be both

745
00:31:33,650 –> 00:31:36,770
light salt and learn to love one another

746
00:31:36,770 –> 00:31:39,770
and let God be the judge over all of us

747
00:31:39,770 –> 00:31:42,860
he is the one who is pure in his

748
00:31:42,860 –> 00:31:45,560
judgments we can make errors those are

749
00:31:45,560 –> 00:31:47,090
the three panels I want to leave with

750
00:31:47,090 –> 00:31:49,240
you

751
00:31:55,639 –> 00:32:00,360
hi Ronnie hi um this is a follow-up to

752
00:32:00,360 –> 00:32:01,860
that question in one way you mentioned

753
00:32:01,860 –> 00:32:04,460
in your book is your church ready that

754
00:32:04,460 –> 00:32:07,049
music and the arts have done more to

755
00:32:07,049 –> 00:32:09,710
shape the soul of the nation then

756
00:32:09,710 –> 00:32:13,679
logical argumentation has and it seems

757
00:32:13,679 –> 00:32:15,929
like homosexuality is one issue of a

758
00:32:15,929 –> 00:32:18,480
number of issues where this discussion

759
00:32:18,480 –> 00:32:20,639
isn’t necessarily happening happening at

760
00:32:20,639 –> 00:32:22,980
the logical level it’s happening in the

761
00:32:22,980 –> 00:32:25,559
arts is happening in music and so we’ve

762
00:32:25,559 –> 00:32:27,360
got this kind of powerful narrative

763
00:32:27,360 –> 00:32:30,659
happening there to which the church kind

764
00:32:30,659 –> 00:32:33,919
of has its propositions to respond to

765
00:32:33,919 –> 00:32:37,380
what would your advice be to local

766
00:32:37,380 –> 00:32:40,320
churches about how to engage with those

767
00:32:40,320 –> 00:32:44,669
issues using music and arts and you know

768
00:32:44,669 –> 00:32:47,250
those pop culture elements yes you’re

769
00:32:47,250 –> 00:32:49,559
you’re referring to my quote in one of

770
00:32:49,559 –> 00:32:51,240
my books from the Scottish political

771
00:32:51,240 –> 00:32:53,700
activist Andrew Fletcher who made the

772
00:32:53,700 –> 00:32:55,350
comment let me write the Psalms of an

773
00:32:55,350 –> 00:32:58,380
nation I don’t care who writes its laws

774
00:32:58,380 –> 00:33:00,929
and what Fletcher was talking about is

775
00:33:00,929 –> 00:33:02,940
that a culture is more often shaped by

776
00:33:02,940 –> 00:33:05,760
its imagination and by its arts than it

777
00:33:05,760 –> 00:33:07,740
is by its read by its logic or

778
00:33:07,740 –> 00:33:12,720
philosophy when you think of how we even

779
00:33:12,720 –> 00:33:15,899
have an impact in our culture today it’s

780
00:33:15,899 –> 00:33:19,789
the arts that have this supervening

781
00:33:19,789 –> 00:33:22,889
compression upon our culture and the

782
00:33:22,889 –> 00:33:25,740
icons tell us how they live and then

783
00:33:25,740 –> 00:33:27,929
they become the people to whom we listen

784
00:33:27,929 –> 00:33:33,360
I look at it this way when you are a

785
00:33:33,360 –> 00:33:35,880
young father or a mother and you’re

786
00:33:35,880 –> 00:33:37,769
dealing with the children’s questions

787
00:33:37,769 –> 00:33:42,059
how do we deal with epistemology the

788
00:33:42,059 –> 00:33:44,519
subject of how do you know something is

789
00:33:44,519 –> 00:33:46,889
true obviously you don’t tell the little

790
00:33:46,889 –> 00:33:50,580
kid that big word otherwise it’ll be the

791
00:33:50,580 –> 00:33:52,260
last time you’ve engage your son saying

792
00:33:52,260 –> 00:33:53,850
I want to get into a pistol nology with

793
00:33:53,850 –> 00:33:56,940
you although my three-year-old grandson

794
00:33:56,940 –> 00:33:59,250
I was telling them he is he can I don’t

795
00:33:59,250 –> 00:34:00,720
know where he gets his vocabulary from

796
00:34:00,720 –> 00:34:05,309
frankly but some time ago he was talking

797
00:34:05,309 –> 00:34:07,139
to his mother and he looked at her after

798
00:34:07,139 –> 00:34:07,730
the prayer

799
00:34:07,730 –> 00:34:10,668
and said to her daddy prayed and you

800
00:34:10,668 –> 00:34:14,179
said Amen why are you saying Amen when

801
00:34:14,179 –> 00:34:17,659
he prayed so she started to explain what

802
00:34:17,659 –> 00:34:21,379
Amen meant and went on a little too long

803
00:34:21,379 –> 00:34:24,530
in the explanation this three-year-old

804
00:34:24,530 –> 00:34:26,810
boy puts his arms up like this and said

805
00:34:26,810 –> 00:34:29,480
will somebody please explain to me what

806
00:34:29,480 –> 00:34:35,929
on earth has just happened here so I’d

807
00:34:35,929 –> 00:34:38,570
be careful with what vocabulary I loo

808
00:34:38,570 –> 00:34:40,849
use lest you turn out somebody like that

809
00:34:40,849 –> 00:34:42,260
and he doesn’t know what on earth you’re

810
00:34:42,260 –> 00:34:47,629
just talking about philosophy is a

811
00:34:47,629 –> 00:34:50,599
reality of life whether we like it or

812
00:34:50,599 –> 00:34:54,129
not but philosophy comes at three levels

813
00:34:54,129 –> 00:34:58,099
level one is argument the laws of logic

814
00:34:58,099 –> 00:35:01,430
it comes to the front door of reason

815
00:35:01,430 –> 00:35:05,210
level two is the imagination it comes to

816
00:35:05,210 –> 00:35:08,869
the back door of the arts music drama

817
00:35:08,869 –> 00:35:12,589
play plays and literature the

818
00:35:12,589 –> 00:35:14,869
existentialist philosophers of the 60s

819
00:35:14,869 –> 00:35:18,230
and 70s like Camus and Sartre they were

820
00:35:18,230 –> 00:35:20,420
brilliant philosophers but they didn’t

821
00:35:20,420 –> 00:35:23,780
philosophize in the form of logic and

822
00:35:23,780 –> 00:35:26,180
reason they philosophize mainly with the

823
00:35:26,180 –> 00:35:28,550
arts and their novels and the stories

824
00:35:28,550 –> 00:35:31,010
that they told and they won a whole

825
00:35:31,010 –> 00:35:33,140
generation of young people with their

826
00:35:33,140 –> 00:35:35,060
plays and with the drama coming in

827
00:35:35,060 –> 00:35:36,859
through the back door of the imagination

828
00:35:36,859 –> 00:35:40,670
so level one is argument level two is

829
00:35:40,670 –> 00:35:43,790
the arts level three is what I call the

830
00:35:43,790 –> 00:35:47,060
kitchen table level where you apply the

831
00:35:47,060 –> 00:35:49,400
reasoning now follow me very carefully

832
00:35:49,400 –> 00:35:52,369
it is very important when going for the

833
00:35:52,369 –> 00:35:55,900
truth that you argue at level one

834
00:35:55,900 –> 00:35:58,760
illustrate from level two and apply it

835
00:35:58,760 –> 00:36:01,970
at level three you cannot argue at the

836
00:36:01,970 –> 00:36:04,010
second level of the third level you

837
00:36:04,010 –> 00:36:06,109
cannot just say this the way we do it

838
00:36:06,109 –> 00:36:07,579
you know when this the way our family is

839
00:36:07,579 –> 00:36:08,960
going to do it you can’t say do you

840
00:36:08,960 –> 00:36:11,089
remember that story and display that out

841
00:36:11,089 –> 00:36:12,849
it out at our the words of that song

842
00:36:12,849 –> 00:36:16,460
they are meant to be illustrative not a

843
00:36:16,460 –> 00:36:18,170
kind of

844
00:36:18,170 –> 00:36:21,069
dictatorial in what they are pronouncing

845
00:36:21,069 –> 00:36:24,410
argument has to come at level one arts

846
00:36:24,410 –> 00:36:26,119
have to come at level two and

847
00:36:26,119 –> 00:36:28,519
application at level three what’s

848
00:36:28,519 –> 00:36:30,890
happened in our culture by the loss of

849
00:36:30,890 –> 00:36:33,920
philosophy and reasoning we have evicted

850
00:36:33,920 –> 00:36:36,470
logic and we have moved directly to the

851
00:36:36,470 –> 00:36:40,039
arts and I think it was Dostoevsky who

852
00:36:40,039 –> 00:36:43,640
said first art would imitate life then

853
00:36:43,640 –> 00:36:46,489
life would imitate art and finally like

854
00:36:46,489 –> 00:36:48,230
would find the very reason for its

855
00:36:48,230 –> 00:36:51,380
existence in the arts first art would

856
00:36:51,380 –> 00:36:53,720
imitate life then life would imitate art

857
00:36:53,720 –> 00:36:55,609
and finally life would find the very

858
00:36:55,609 –> 00:36:57,349
reason for its existence in the arts

859
00:36:57,349 –> 00:36:59,720
that’s where we have arrived and the

860
00:36:59,720 –> 00:37:02,509
music and the drama and the arts have

861
00:37:02,509 –> 00:37:05,779
really taken over and commandeered our

862
00:37:05,779 –> 00:37:08,779
thinking to an anecdotal point where we

863
00:37:08,779 –> 00:37:10,640
no longer have to rationally and

864
00:37:10,640 –> 00:37:13,460
logically defend it now the problem is

865
00:37:13,460 –> 00:37:15,410
logic and seems so sterile and

866
00:37:15,410 –> 00:37:19,069
impersonal and hard and just some

867
00:37:19,069 –> 00:37:22,369
demagogic way of teaching no I think the

868
00:37:22,369 –> 00:37:24,079
way you do it is by asking the right

869
00:37:24,079 –> 00:37:27,559
question for example if somebody says

870
00:37:27,559 –> 00:37:30,230
you know I whatever I do makes me very

871
00:37:30,230 –> 00:37:32,869
happy and that’s why I plan to pursue

872
00:37:32,869 –> 00:37:35,539
that I say to them are you willing to

873
00:37:35,539 –> 00:37:37,249
give you a neighbor the same privilege

874
00:37:37,249 –> 00:37:42,079
avizo bully do you want your neighbour

875
00:37:42,079 –> 00:37:44,869
to say this is what makes me happy you

876
00:37:44,869 –> 00:37:48,589
see subjective emotional responses are

877
00:37:48,589 –> 00:37:51,559
hardly the litmus test whether something

878
00:37:51,559 –> 00:37:53,599
is propositional e true or not

879
00:37:53,599 –> 00:37:55,549
truth is primarily a property of the

880
00:37:55,549 –> 00:37:59,329
propositions thy Word is truth and in

881
00:37:59,329 –> 00:38:01,369
Jesus you had the embodiment of all that

882
00:38:01,369 –> 00:38:03,859
the word became flesh and dwelt among us

883
00:38:03,859 –> 00:38:05,630
full of grace and truth expand bodying

884
00:38:05,630 –> 00:38:07,849
the truth so if the arts have

885
00:38:07,849 –> 00:38:10,160
commandeered and taken away our way to

886
00:38:10,160 –> 00:38:14,779
think you have defined table discussions

887
00:38:14,779 –> 00:38:17,269
around with people who are moving in

888
00:38:17,269 –> 00:38:19,039
that direction and ask them the hard

889
00:38:19,039 –> 00:38:22,789
questions till logic comes to the front

890
00:38:22,789 –> 00:38:25,489
and they realize that if you live a

891
00:38:25,489 –> 00:38:28,160
contradictory life ideational e your

892
00:38:28,160 –> 00:38:30,580
life will break down and fall up

893
00:38:30,580 –> 00:38:33,460
it cannot sustain itself because the law

894
00:38:33,460 –> 00:38:36,040
of non-contradiction applies to reality

895
00:38:36,040 –> 00:38:38,260
it’s the responsibility of the judge to

896
00:38:38,260 –> 00:38:40,330
teach us young people to think well and

897
00:38:40,330 –> 00:38:42,760
to think rightly and artistically to

898
00:38:42,760 –> 00:38:46,000
translate it as illustration not the

899
00:38:46,000 –> 00:38:49,180
reverse and that way around that’s why

900
00:38:49,180 –> 00:38:51,070
the Bible doesn’t say in the beginning

901
00:38:51,070 –> 00:38:55,120
was video says in the beginning was the

902
00:38:55,120 –> 00:38:57,970
word and when the word is transmitted to

903
00:38:57,970 –> 00:39:00,640
the picture we have to make sure that

904
00:39:00,640 –> 00:39:01,870
it’s accurate

905
00:39:01,870 –> 00:39:04,630
I saw a t-shirt in Asia with a fellow

906
00:39:04,630 –> 00:39:06,250
walking with a book in his hand

907
00:39:06,250 –> 00:39:08,620
hurriedly and on the t-shirt it said

908
00:39:08,620 –> 00:39:14,440
never judge a book by its movie and I

909
00:39:14,440 –> 00:39:17,080
would say to you let us never judge what

910
00:39:17,080 –> 00:39:20,620
we ought to do just by the arts because

911
00:39:20,620 –> 00:39:24,270
the arts like to claim a freewheeling

912
00:39:24,270 –> 00:39:27,760
relativism but the Bible says to worship

913
00:39:27,760 –> 00:39:31,120
Him in the beauty of holiness even art

914
00:39:31,120 –> 00:39:34,390
must have a boundary and if we worship

915
00:39:34,390 –> 00:39:36,520
worship in the beauty if we worship in

916
00:39:36,520 –> 00:39:39,940
with the profanity of holiness that is a

917
00:39:39,940 –> 00:39:41,580
contradiction in terms

918
00:39:41,580 –> 00:39:45,060
okay thank you

919
00:39:46,940 –> 00:39:50,299
who’s our question from a campus it says

920
00:39:50,299 –> 00:39:52,039
how would you explain the drastic

921
00:39:52,039 –> 00:39:54,530
difference between the wrathful Old

922
00:39:54,530 –> 00:39:57,140
Testament God and the loving New

923
00:39:57,140 –> 00:40:01,819
Testament god to a sceptic I’m losing my

924
00:40:01,819 –> 00:40:03,770
microphone he has no anchoring problem

925
00:40:03,770 –> 00:40:04,760
but can you all hear me

926
00:40:04,760 –> 00:40:07,190
sorry about that let me see if I can

927
00:40:07,190 –> 00:40:09,530
take this one out here and put that in

928
00:40:09,530 –> 00:40:11,420
the pocket and then save this anchors a

929
00:40:11,420 –> 00:40:19,609
little more comfortably here when I was

930
00:40:19,609 –> 00:40:22,730
born I always feared a growth on my face

931
00:40:22,730 –> 00:40:25,970
and now that’s what I have most of my

932
00:40:25,970 –> 00:40:29,539
life all right can you hear me now the

933
00:40:29,539 –> 00:40:31,609
wrathful God of the Old Testament over

934
00:40:31,609 –> 00:40:33,859
against the benevolent and the gracious

935
00:40:33,859 –> 00:40:37,160
God of the new it’s a false dichotomy if

936
00:40:37,160 –> 00:40:39,859
you really look at the Old Testament you

937
00:40:39,859 –> 00:40:42,230
have to first see what it is that was

938
00:40:42,230 –> 00:40:45,020
being accomplished there the moral law

939
00:40:45,020 –> 00:40:48,069
was given to a people with a dynamic

940
00:40:48,069 –> 00:40:51,109
attendance of the supernatural and the

941
00:40:51,109 –> 00:40:54,609
miraculous if you go through the Exodus

942
00:40:54,609 –> 00:40:58,309
punctuated miracles the time of creation

943
00:40:58,309 –> 00:41:00,589
the time of Moses the time of the

944
00:41:00,589 –> 00:41:03,020
prophets like Elijah and Elijah you’d

945
00:41:03,020 –> 00:41:04,910
move on to the time of John the Baptist

946
00:41:04,910 –> 00:41:06,529
in the early church those are the

947
00:41:06,529 –> 00:41:09,710
classic periods of miracles and when the

948
00:41:09,710 –> 00:41:13,490
dramatic disclosure of God was attended

949
00:41:13,490 –> 00:41:16,970
by such incontrovertible evidence like

950
00:41:16,970 –> 00:41:19,039
food coming from the heavens to take

951
00:41:19,039 –> 00:41:20,839
care of you every day a double portion

952
00:41:20,839 –> 00:41:23,180
coming before the Sabbath when the

953
00:41:23,180 –> 00:41:25,250
waters argot air during the bitterness

954
00:41:25,250 –> 00:41:27,500
is taken away when the dead are raised

955
00:41:27,500 –> 00:41:29,480
like Lazarus and so on in the New

956
00:41:29,480 –> 00:41:32,569
Testament in proportion to the nature of

957
00:41:32,569 –> 00:41:36,130
the dramatic miracle was the rightful

958
00:41:36,130 –> 00:41:38,480
expectation of compliance and obedience

959
00:41:38,480 –> 00:41:41,359
because if you don’t obey in the face of

960
00:41:41,359 –> 00:41:44,150
such a dramatic revelation you will

961
00:41:44,150 –> 00:41:46,549
never obey no matter what happens that’s

962
00:41:46,549 –> 00:41:47,809
the first thing I want you to know

963
00:41:47,809 –> 00:41:50,089
second thing is that God was building a

964
00:41:50,089 –> 00:41:52,039
covenant people through whom he was

965
00:41:52,039 –> 00:41:54,410
going to disclose himself but in that

966
00:41:54,410 –> 00:41:57,520
covenant relationship you hear such

967
00:41:57,520 –> 00:41:59,030
extraordinary

968
00:41:59,030 –> 00:42:02,660
Eggman’s you see for example in Isaiah I

969
00:42:02,660 –> 00:42:04,400
think that better the parable of the

970
00:42:04,400 –> 00:42:06,980
vineyard there where he says what more

971
00:42:06,980 –> 00:42:09,050
could I have done for you that I have

972
00:42:09,050 –> 00:42:11,330
not already done wherefore when you’re

973
00:42:11,330 –> 00:42:13,250
looking for grapes why do you and I’m

974
00:42:13,250 –> 00:42:14,810
looking for grapes why do you bring

975
00:42:14,810 –> 00:42:17,390
forth wild grapes when you look at the

976
00:42:17,390 –> 00:42:20,240
book of Hosea it is the most magnificent

977
00:42:20,240 –> 00:42:23,240
exposition of the love of God how do we

978
00:42:23,240 –> 00:42:25,490
know that because here’s a prophet by

979
00:42:25,490 –> 00:42:27,650
the name of Hosea who marries a woman by

980
00:42:27,650 –> 00:42:29,390
the name of Gomer who turns out to be a

981
00:42:29,390 –> 00:42:30,580
prostitute

982
00:42:30,580 –> 00:42:34,160
imagine being Hosea and looking for your

983
00:42:34,160 –> 00:42:37,130
wife in the heart of the city and you

984
00:42:37,130 –> 00:42:38,930
see a lineup of men who are standing

985
00:42:38,930 –> 00:42:41,630
outside the brothel to buy her for an

986
00:42:41,630 –> 00:42:44,570
hour’s pleasure and Hosea stands in line

987
00:42:44,570 –> 00:42:47,600
to buy his wife back for a day’s rations

988
00:42:47,600 –> 00:42:49,460
and half the price of a slave of that

989
00:42:49,460 –> 00:42:52,190
time he brings his wife back imagine

990
00:42:52,190 –> 00:42:55,580
that feeling of the one you have loved

991
00:42:55,580 –> 00:42:58,430
becoming a harlot and yet what does God

992
00:42:58,430 –> 00:43:02,090
say to him I command you to go and love

993
00:43:02,090 –> 00:43:05,740
that woman beloved of her adulterers

994
00:43:05,740 –> 00:43:09,650
it’s the ultimate expression of grace so

995
00:43:09,650 –> 00:43:12,650
when you say it’s a hard concept of law

996
00:43:12,650 –> 00:43:15,500
and judgment no no we are missing the

997
00:43:15,500 –> 00:43:17,750
proportion of the revelation and miracle

998
00:43:17,750 –> 00:43:20,000
that God is expecting a response to it

999
00:43:20,000 –> 00:43:22,460
and we are missing the fact that he

1000
00:43:22,460 –> 00:43:25,310
loved them so much and in the last book

1001
00:43:25,310 –> 00:43:28,040
of the Old Testament Malachi it begins

1002
00:43:28,040 –> 00:43:30,770
by saying I have loved you and yet you

1003
00:43:30,770 –> 00:43:34,700
say in what way have you loved us the

1004
00:43:34,700 –> 00:43:36,890
love of God is the central feature of

1005
00:43:36,890 –> 00:43:40,730
the old and the New Testament the reason

1006
00:43:40,730 –> 00:43:42,440
I think there were more dramatic moments

1007
00:43:42,440 –> 00:43:45,230
in the Old Testament was because the

1008
00:43:45,230 –> 00:43:47,660
dramatic nature of the miraculous it did

1009
00:43:47,660 –> 00:43:51,830
also happen dramatically in acts 5 with

1010
00:43:51,830 –> 00:43:54,470
their Ananias and Sapphira at that

1011
00:43:54,470 –> 00:43:56,120
moment when there when the open the

1012
00:43:56,120 –> 00:43:58,370
whole issue of the Holy Spirit is

1013
00:43:58,370 –> 00:44:00,110
brought into being in the blasphemy

1014
00:44:00,110 –> 00:44:01,700
against the Holy Spirit so when a

1015
00:44:01,700 –> 00:44:03,800
dramatic end I had there on the heels of

1016
00:44:03,800 –> 00:44:05,660
the defend descent of the Holy Spirit

1017
00:44:05,660 –> 00:44:07,730
where the dramatic nature the miraculous

1018
00:44:07,730 –> 00:44:08,480
is disclosed

1019
00:44:08,480 –> 00:44:10,490
you still blaspheme against the Holy

1020
00:44:10,490 –> 00:44:12,110
Spirit the judgment could be pretty

1021
00:44:12,110 –> 00:44:12,740
dramatic

1022
00:44:12,740 –> 00:44:14,480
that’s why the Bible says to whom much

1023
00:44:14,480 –> 00:44:16,210
is given much shall also be required

1024
00:44:16,210 –> 00:44:18,890
that’s one of the scariest verses in the

1025
00:44:18,890 –> 00:44:21,710
Bible to me when you are entrusted to be

1026
00:44:21,710 –> 00:44:24,470
a spokesperson for God God’s going to

1027
00:44:24,470 –> 00:44:26,690
hold people like us more accountable and

1028
00:44:26,690 –> 00:44:29,810
that’s not a happy feeling you have to

1029
00:44:29,810 –> 00:44:31,190
really have to realize what that means

1030
00:44:31,190 –> 00:44:34,670
so the gospel of grace all along is

1031
00:44:34,670 –> 00:44:36,500
there in the Old Testament and let me

1032
00:44:36,500 –> 00:44:37,780
look at let me look at it this way

1033
00:44:37,780 –> 00:44:40,430
Abraham the Abrahamic covenant purely

1034
00:44:40,430 –> 00:44:41,290
grace

1035
00:44:41,290 –> 00:44:44,150
Abraham is asleep and the animals are

1036
00:44:44,150 –> 00:44:46,640
drawn and quartered and the presence of

1037
00:44:46,640 –> 00:44:48,530
God moves to that in that covenant

1038
00:44:48,530 –> 00:44:49,310
implying

1039
00:44:49,310 –> 00:44:52,280
if I fail to do what I’m promising to

1040
00:44:52,280 –> 00:44:54,560
you made that be done to me which has

1041
00:44:54,560 –> 00:44:56,599
been done to this animal but Abram is

1042
00:44:56,599 –> 00:44:58,430
asleep he’s not making a proportionate

1043
00:44:58,430 –> 00:45:00,740
commitment at the same time it is just a

1044
00:45:00,740 –> 00:45:03,290
benevolent heart of God that’s willing

1045
00:45:03,290 –> 00:45:06,140
to give in that the one portion that

1046
00:45:06,140 –> 00:45:08,599
always troubled me was Moses you know

1047
00:45:08,599 –> 00:45:10,339
that’s the last character in the Bible I

1048
00:45:10,339 –> 00:45:11,900
wanted to be imagine leading all these

1049
00:45:11,900 –> 00:45:14,089
people for 40 years out I said I’ve had

1050
00:45:14,089 –> 00:45:16,490
enough Lord you know just just get me

1051
00:45:16,490 –> 00:45:22,160
across and then of course he doesn’t but

1052
00:45:22,160 –> 00:45:24,410
God gives him one of the extraordinary

1053
00:45:24,410 –> 00:45:26,210
privileges he first tells me know you’re

1054
00:45:26,210 –> 00:45:28,490
not going to get there but I’m gonna be

1055
00:45:28,490 –> 00:45:31,849
your Undertaker and he buries him and

1056
00:45:31,849 –> 00:45:35,020
then in the New Testament at the

1057
00:45:35,020 –> 00:45:38,150
Transfiguration who does he bring with

1058
00:45:38,150 –> 00:45:42,859
him Moses and Elijah so ultimately he

1059
00:45:42,859 –> 00:45:45,650
did get there he was brought about in a

1060
00:45:45,650 –> 00:45:47,510
more glorious moment and I see once

1061
00:45:47,510 –> 00:45:50,300
again the picture of grace of how God is

1062
00:45:50,300 –> 00:45:51,830
like a child it doesn’t do his homework

1063
00:45:51,830 –> 00:45:53,330
and he say I’m not going to eat dinner

1064
00:45:53,330 –> 00:45:55,550
but that only means at 6:00 at 7 o’clock

1065
00:45:55,550 –> 00:45:57,650
you’ll ultimately give it to them before

1066
00:45:57,650 –> 00:45:59,810
you tuck them into bed the story of the

1067
00:45:59,810 –> 00:46:02,390
whole Bible is a story of grace it is a

1068
00:46:02,390 –> 00:46:06,140
concept and a doctrine foreign to every

1069
00:46:06,140 –> 00:46:09,619
other religious worldview it is central

1070
00:46:09,619 –> 00:46:11,660
to the teaching of the Bible that God

1071
00:46:11,660 –> 00:46:15,200
offers you grace explained to me how a

1072
00:46:15,200 –> 00:46:18,650
woman with five broken marriages could

1073
00:46:18,650 –> 00:46:21,130
be changed into an evangelist

1074
00:46:21,130 –> 00:46:24,460
that happened to the woman of Samaria he

1075
00:46:24,460 –> 00:46:26,440
sent her into the Samaritans to become

1076
00:46:26,440 –> 00:46:28,779
the first evangelist how does a woman

1077
00:46:28,779 –> 00:46:31,480
who had lived such a dissolute life

1078
00:46:31,480 –> 00:46:33,940
bring her alabaster ointment and the

1079
00:46:33,940 –> 00:46:36,759
Lord allows her to open that and he

1080
00:46:36,759 –> 00:46:38,799
sprays her the greatest compliment he

1081
00:46:38,799 –> 00:46:41,349
paid anybody wherever the gospel is

1082
00:46:41,349 –> 00:46:43,480
preached there shall also this be told

1083
00:46:43,480 –> 00:46:46,509
of what this woman has done for me this

1084
00:46:46,509 –> 00:46:49,599
day the Bible old and new Testament is a

1085
00:46:49,599 –> 00:46:52,269
gospel of grace and if today you are

1086
00:46:52,269 –> 00:46:54,339
languishing afar off and thinking you’ve

1087
00:46:54,339 –> 00:46:56,710
blown it big-time I tell you we have a

1088
00:46:56,710 –> 00:46:59,230
savior for you who is willing to forgive

1089
00:46:59,230 –> 00:47:01,660
you and embrace you and give you that

1090
00:47:01,660 –> 00:47:04,569
fresh start in life again the Old

1091
00:47:04,569 –> 00:47:08,619
Testament law was a schoolmaster to

1092
00:47:08,619 –> 00:47:11,140
teach us that we could never come to him

1093
00:47:11,140 –> 00:47:13,960
by law alone only by grace and the

1094
00:47:13,960 –> 00:47:16,480
bridge that he provided can we then go

1095
00:47:16,480 –> 00:47:19,150
and honor the law not as a means of our

1096
00:47:19,150 –> 00:47:22,390
salvation but as a reflection of it I

1097
00:47:22,390 –> 00:47:25,740
just want to add one footnote an Iraqi

1098
00:47:25,740 –> 00:47:29,500
Muslim convert came to my office and he

1099
00:47:29,500 –> 00:47:32,049
told me this he said I’m from Baghdad he

1100
00:47:32,049 –> 00:47:34,690
said I cannot tell you for all the years

1101
00:47:34,690 –> 00:47:36,819
that I struggled because of no when I

1102
00:47:36,819 –> 00:47:38,829
was going to paradise my good deeds were

1103
00:47:38,829 –> 00:47:41,680
gonna have to outweigh my my bad deeds

1104
00:47:41,680 –> 00:47:43,000
my good deeds were gonna have to be

1105
00:47:43,000 –> 00:47:45,490
heavier than all of my bad deeds he said

1106
00:47:45,490 –> 00:47:48,369
mr. Zacharias I used to walk to the far

1107
00:47:48,369 –> 00:47:50,380
the most mosque I could get to and I

1108
00:47:50,380 –> 00:47:53,410
would count my steps laborious ly

1109
00:47:53,410 –> 00:47:56,529
earning these points and the right to

1110
00:47:56,529 –> 00:47:59,170
God’s mercy I would consciously try to

1111
00:47:59,170 –> 00:48:01,150
do so much good because I know I’d done

1112
00:48:01,150 –> 00:48:04,150
so much bad at the same time he said now

1113
00:48:04,150 –> 00:48:07,630
as a child of God I gladly do the good

1114
00:48:07,630 –> 00:48:09,960
because I’m a forgiving child and

1115
00:48:09,960 –> 00:48:12,279
experiences love and I know ultimately

1116
00:48:12,279 –> 00:48:14,289
it’s His grace that’s going to get me

1117
00:48:14,289 –> 00:48:16,240
there I’m not going to have my could be

1118
00:48:16,240 –> 00:48:18,670
swayed over against my bad deeds it’s a

1119
00:48:18,670 –> 00:48:21,150
world of a difference

1120
00:48:28,470 –> 00:48:32,290
hi Ravi my question is if our God is a

1121
00:48:32,290 –> 00:48:34,780
loving God why is the path to heaven so

1122
00:48:34,780 –> 00:48:38,380
narrow why is it the path to heaven so

1123
00:48:38,380 –> 00:48:42,280
narrow okay if God is a loving God why

1124
00:48:42,280 –> 00:48:46,360
is the path to heaven so narrow for the

1125
00:48:46,360 –> 00:48:48,100
same reason the law of gravity is just

1126
00:48:48,100 –> 00:48:51,160
one you can’t have your own law of

1127
00:48:51,160 –> 00:48:54,690
gravity and I have my own law of gravity

1128
00:48:54,690 –> 00:48:59,170
truth by definition will always be

1129
00:48:59,170 –> 00:49:02,920
restrictive if the alternative is taken

1130
00:49:02,920 –> 00:49:07,930
that you do not have any restriction to

1131
00:49:07,930 –> 00:49:10,120
truth and there’s no real distinction

1132
00:49:10,120 –> 00:49:13,420
between truth and error truth will

1133
00:49:13,420 –> 00:49:16,480
always have its boundaries but I realize

1134
00:49:16,480 –> 00:49:18,910
what you’re saying beyond that your

1135
00:49:18,910 –> 00:49:21,970
question is really not there where the

1136
00:49:21,970 –> 00:49:23,950
truth has its boundaries but why are the

1137
00:49:23,950 –> 00:49:25,990
boundaries not including so many others

1138
00:49:25,990 –> 00:49:28,390
who may try so hard and work so hard

1139
00:49:28,390 –> 00:49:30,550
within their own consciences and so on

1140
00:49:30,550 –> 00:49:34,960
so I would just say this to you whenever

1141
00:49:34,960 –> 00:49:39,700
you get a legitimate currency there will

1142
00:49:39,700 –> 00:49:42,580
always be those who try to come up with

1143
00:49:42,580 –> 00:49:45,640
a counterfeit currency currency the

1144
00:49:45,640 –> 00:49:48,580
fascinating thing to me is it is really

1145
00:49:48,580 –> 00:49:55,180
not narrow to me it is so merciful that

1146
00:49:55,180 –> 00:49:58,390
it would be narrow if I were told how

1147
00:49:58,390 –> 00:50:02,050
many laws I had to obey in order to get

1148
00:50:02,050 –> 00:50:05,260
there how many events I had to observe

1149
00:50:05,260 –> 00:50:07,870
in order to get there how much money I

1150
00:50:07,870 –> 00:50:10,930
had to give in order to get there what I

1151
00:50:10,930 –> 00:50:13,450
had to do to break out of a caste system

1152
00:50:13,450 –> 00:50:16,900
to climb the ladder that to me would be

1153
00:50:16,900 –> 00:50:19,420
narrow if you take for example the

1154
00:50:19,420 –> 00:50:21,130
pantheistic worldview and the caste

1155
00:50:21,130 –> 00:50:24,790
system today where you can do nothing to

1156
00:50:24,790 –> 00:50:28,390
change why you are born this way your

1157
00:50:28,390 –> 00:50:31,240
karmic debt has to be paid and has to be

1158
00:50:31,240 –> 00:50:33,430
paid and has to be paid that’s narrow

1159
00:50:33,430 –> 00:50:35,230
you cannot break free from the shackles

1160
00:50:35,230 –> 00:50:38,180
of the cost of your birth

1161
00:50:38,180 –> 00:50:40,520
the Islamic world view to me is very

1162
00:50:40,520 –> 00:50:42,650
narrow you have to observe the five

1163
00:50:42,650 –> 00:50:45,079
pillars you have to pray in this

1164
00:50:45,079 –> 00:50:47,779
direction you have to give that much you

1165
00:50:47,779 –> 00:50:51,619
have to obey say the Creed and the Shia

1166
00:50:51,619 –> 00:50:54,109
Donnell and you have to do the fast of

1167
00:50:54,109 –> 00:50:56,450
Ramadan and if you possibly can you God

1168
00:50:56,450 –> 00:50:59,539
God those are very narrow restrictions

1169
00:50:59,539 –> 00:51:03,619
to me when the Lord Jesus says if anyone

1170
00:51:03,619 –> 00:51:06,260
comes unto me I will in no wise cast him

1171
00:51:06,260 –> 00:51:09,410
out I don’t see that as narrow I see

1172
00:51:09,410 –> 00:51:11,329
there is all of a sudden opening the

1173
00:51:11,329 –> 00:51:14,569
floodgates of heaven so that anyone who

1174
00:51:14,569 –> 00:51:17,420
calls unto Him can receive His

1175
00:51:17,420 –> 00:51:20,569
forgiveness the narrowness lies in the

1176
00:51:20,569 –> 00:51:23,839
fact that I cannot manufacture my own

1177
00:51:23,839 –> 00:51:28,970
truth God is one and God’s provision is

1178
00:51:28,970 –> 00:51:32,000
for you and for me and all he’s asked of

1179
00:51:32,000 –> 00:51:35,119
us is to receive that provision and if I

1180
00:51:35,119 –> 00:51:37,730
turn my back upon that provision want to

1181
00:51:37,730 –> 00:51:41,089
find my own answer then I am NOT being

1182
00:51:41,089 –> 00:51:43,760
admitting to the generosity of God I’m

1183
00:51:43,760 –> 00:51:45,950
wanting to become narrow in my own

1184
00:51:45,950 –> 00:51:48,799
choices so I don’t see it as narrow at

1185
00:51:48,799 –> 00:51:50,720
all the grace of God is the most

1186
00:51:50,720 –> 00:51:53,660
abundant gift and the final thing I will

1187
00:51:53,660 –> 00:51:57,369
say to you is you know there are many

1188
00:51:57,369 –> 00:52:02,779
times that I have seen or heard of what

1189
00:52:02,779 –> 00:52:05,119
all happens in a person’s deathbed and

1190
00:52:05,119 –> 00:52:07,880
I’m not a medical practitioner but I

1191
00:52:07,880 –> 00:52:10,460
have heard that sometimes the hearing

1192
00:52:10,460 –> 00:52:12,529
may be one of the last senses to go and

1193
00:52:12,529 –> 00:52:15,950
even if they cannot gesture to you they

1194
00:52:15,950 –> 00:52:18,559
can hear things that you are saying my

1195
00:52:18,559 –> 00:52:21,770
wife and her sister are here and his

1196
00:52:21,770 –> 00:52:25,789
daughters were at his bedside well my

1197
00:52:25,789 –> 00:52:27,680
their father when he died at the age of

1198
00:52:27,680 –> 00:52:29,990
85 his daughters were at his bedside and

1199
00:52:29,990 –> 00:52:33,020
his wife and his wife of 60 some years

1200
00:52:33,020 –> 00:52:35,180
he was a great man one of the greatest

1201
00:52:35,180 –> 00:52:35,930
men I’ve ever known

1202
00:52:35,930 –> 00:52:39,170
always lived by the book as it were but

1203
00:52:39,170 –> 00:52:40,579
in the days before he died he was

1204
00:52:40,579 –> 00:52:42,650
struggling because it all happened so

1205
00:52:42,650 –> 00:52:43,369
suddenly

1206
00:52:43,369 –> 00:52:45,770
came as a shock ding so healthy

1207
00:52:45,770 –> 00:52:47,930
developed some back pain and thought it

1208
00:52:47,930 –> 00:52:49,859
was removing some bookshelves fun

1209
00:52:49,859 –> 00:52:52,049
there was cancer I think in the kidney

1210
00:52:52,049 –> 00:52:53,579
or something and ultimately I think

1211
00:52:53,579 –> 00:52:55,229
within a matter of a few weeks it was

1212
00:52:55,229 –> 00:52:58,339
gone but he was silent for some

1213
00:52:58,339 –> 00:53:01,410
protracted period of time but his last

1214
00:53:01,410 –> 00:53:04,319
two statements where he looked to the

1215
00:53:04,319 –> 00:53:08,160
heavens and he said amazing that’s just

1216
00:53:08,160 –> 00:53:11,009
amazing and then he looked at his wife

1217
00:53:11,009 –> 00:53:15,079
and said Jean I love you and he was gone

1218
00:53:15,079 –> 00:53:17,809
coming out of silence

1219
00:53:17,809 –> 00:53:21,920
what glimpse was given to him I’m

1220
00:53:21,920 –> 00:53:25,259
waiting for that day and then to be able

1221
00:53:25,259 –> 00:53:27,930
to honor your trust and say I love I

1222
00:53:27,930 –> 00:53:31,349
love you so sometimes people in their

1223
00:53:31,349 –> 00:53:34,049
silence even on their deathbed you and I

1224
00:53:34,049 –> 00:53:36,749
never know what’s going on between God

1225
00:53:36,749 –> 00:53:39,660
and then and we leave that in the hands

1226
00:53:39,660 –> 00:53:41,910
of the Living God he knows how to deal

1227
00:53:41,910 –> 00:53:43,829
even with a person who cannot speak to

1228
00:53:43,829 –> 00:53:47,160
you or me he can speak to them take that

1229
00:53:47,160 –> 00:53:50,329
heart thank you

1230
00:53:53,170 –> 00:53:56,580
another another question from a campus

1231
00:53:56,580 –> 00:53:59,010
how do you deal with somebody who says

1232
00:53:59,010 –> 00:54:01,990
I’ve been through immense suffering or

1233
00:54:01,990 –> 00:54:04,860
trauma and I just can’t believe in God

1234
00:54:04,860 –> 00:54:07,300
the God you talked about who loves me if

1235
00:54:07,300 –> 00:54:09,100
he would let this happen to me because I

1236
00:54:09,100 –> 00:54:11,290
meet that a lot but I think that’s

1237
00:54:11,290 –> 00:54:13,120
another that’s animal one question Joe

1238
00:54:13,120 –> 00:54:15,280
and whoever has asked this question

1239
00:54:15,280 –> 00:54:17,530
somebody has said virtue in distress and

1240
00:54:17,530 –> 00:54:20,380
vice in triumph has made atheists of

1241
00:54:20,380 –> 00:54:23,320
mankind virtue in distress and vice and

1242
00:54:23,320 –> 00:54:25,300
triumph has made atheists of mankind

1243
00:54:25,300 –> 00:54:28,330
it’s a daunting question you know

1244
00:54:28,330 –> 00:54:30,220
sometimes you I think about when I go

1245
00:54:30,220 –> 00:54:31,990
onto a campus or whatever is sometimes

1246
00:54:31,990 –> 00:54:34,480
people almost think like your answering

1247
00:54:34,480 –> 00:54:36,340
machine you don’t think of these things

1248
00:54:36,340 –> 00:54:38,110
we do think as you as a pastor

1249
00:54:38,110 –> 00:54:40,210
well-known because you minister to

1250
00:54:40,210 –> 00:54:42,100
people in their most broken condition

1251
00:54:42,100 –> 00:54:44,050
and oftentimes you just walk away from

1252
00:54:44,050 –> 00:54:46,480
there with tears in your own eyes now I

1253
00:54:46,480 –> 00:54:48,370
want you to know I’m not just talking

1254
00:54:48,370 –> 00:54:50,500
out of a vacuum of philosophical

1255
00:54:50,500 –> 00:54:52,900
understanding I’m talking out of a life

1256
00:54:52,900 –> 00:54:54,760
that has lived through a lot of pain

1257
00:54:54,760 –> 00:54:57,700
lived through a lot of pain I was in my

1258
00:54:57,700 –> 00:55:00,310
20s when I lost my mother and it were

1259
00:55:00,310 –> 00:55:02,410
not for my mother I wouldn’t have made

1260
00:55:02,410 –> 00:55:06,250
it I would not have made it she’s the

1261
00:55:06,250 –> 00:55:09,520
only one who had the hope that somehow I

1262
00:55:09,520 –> 00:55:11,440
could be rescued in life

1263
00:55:11,440 –> 00:55:14,080
and to lose her that early was hard lost

1264
00:55:14,080 –> 00:55:16,750
my dad five years after that and in

1265
00:55:16,750 –> 00:55:20,110
1980s I injured my back very badly and

1266
00:55:20,110 –> 00:55:22,630
I’ve had two major heart surgeries as I

1267
00:55:22,630 –> 00:55:24,730
stand before you I have two titanium

1268
00:55:24,730 –> 00:55:28,330
rods in my back that goes from l3 to s1

1269
00:55:28,330 –> 00:55:30,880
and I’m bolted down with eight sets of

1270
00:55:30,880 –> 00:55:34,750
eight screws and four clamps and are you

1271
00:55:34,750 –> 00:55:36,820
for years and years and years I would

1272
00:55:36,820 –> 00:55:38,380
wake up and I would never know how the

1273
00:55:38,380 –> 00:55:40,420
morning was going to be I remember the

1274
00:55:40,420 –> 00:55:42,430
days I’d sit in my car with the steering

1275
00:55:42,430 –> 00:55:44,200
wheel in front of me at Bart put my head

1276
00:55:44,200 –> 00:55:46,150
on the steering and just cry in agony

1277
00:55:46,150 –> 00:55:49,960
the pain was just so bad any one of us

1278
00:55:49,960 –> 00:55:51,900
had serious back issues you know how

1279
00:55:51,900 –> 00:55:53,370
psychologically and emotionally

1280
00:55:53,370 –> 00:55:56,290
debilitating it can be so I’m talking to

1281
00:55:56,290 –> 00:55:59,020
you not out of the theoretical side but

1282
00:55:59,020 –> 00:56:01,570
let me move now to the theoretical side

1283
00:56:01,570 –> 00:56:05,130
and then get to the applicational side

1284
00:56:05,130 –> 00:56:09,010
CS Lewis used to say this no question

1285
00:56:09,010 –> 00:56:13,360
has barely been fully comprehended until

1286
00:56:13,360 –> 00:56:15,850
it has been fully posed and its

1287
00:56:15,850 –> 00:56:19,810
assumptions understood nothing is no

1288
00:56:19,810 –> 00:56:21,550
question has been comprehend until its

1289
00:56:21,550 –> 00:56:24,850
assumptions have been understood after

1290
00:56:24,850 –> 00:56:27,550
it has been fully posed so if a person

1291
00:56:27,550 –> 00:56:30,220
for example says I don’t believe in God

1292
00:56:30,220 –> 00:56:32,350
because there is too much evil in this

1293
00:56:32,350 –> 00:56:36,280
world I’ve had that said to me in a

1294
00:56:36,280 –> 00:56:38,020
university setting in Nottingham I’ve

1295
00:56:38,020 –> 00:56:39,790
used that illustration so many times a

1296
00:56:39,790 –> 00:56:41,260
guy stood up and said too much of evil

1297
00:56:41,260 –> 00:56:43,390
in this world there’s no God and I said

1298
00:56:43,390 –> 00:56:45,190
you don’t believe that he said I do we

1299
00:56:45,190 –> 00:56:47,260
carried on this way for a back and forth

1300
00:56:47,260 –> 00:56:49,360
some of you probably seen in my books or

1301
00:56:49,360 –> 00:56:52,840
in my Q&A series or whatever it is and I

1302
00:56:52,840 –> 00:56:54,490
said to him when you say this such a

1303
00:56:54,490 –> 00:56:56,230
thing as evil aren’t you assuming that

1304
00:56:56,230 –> 00:57:00,070
such a thing as good he said yes I said

1305
00:57:00,070 –> 00:57:01,660
when you assume that such a thing is

1306
00:57:01,660 –> 00:57:02,920
good aren’t you assuming that such a

1307
00:57:02,920 –> 00:57:05,230
thing as a moral law by which to

1308
00:57:05,230 –> 00:57:07,630
differentiate between good and evil you

1309
00:57:07,630 –> 00:57:09,880
must have a point of reference by which

1310
00:57:09,880 –> 00:57:11,800
to differentiate between good and evil

1311
00:57:11,800 –> 00:57:13,660
he sort of hood and hard about that a

1312
00:57:13,660 –> 00:57:15,700
bit and I gave the illustration of

1313
00:57:15,700 –> 00:57:17,920
Bertrand Russell debating the Jesuit

1314
00:57:17,920 –> 00:57:20,020
philosopher Frederick cobblestone when

1315
00:57:20,020 –> 00:57:22,330
cobblestones said to him mr. Russell how

1316
00:57:22,330 –> 00:57:23,710
do you differentiate between good and

1317
00:57:23,710 –> 00:57:25,480
bad Russell said the same way I

1318
00:57:25,480 –> 00:57:28,230
differentiate between blue and green

1319
00:57:28,230 –> 00:57:30,010
coppleson said wait a minute you

1320
00:57:30,010 –> 00:57:31,420
differentiate between blue and green by

1321
00:57:31,420 –> 00:57:33,580
seeing don’t you he said yes how do you

1322
00:57:33,580 –> 00:57:35,680
differentiate between bad and just as

1323
00:57:35,680 –> 00:57:37,480
brilliant mathematician philosopher

1324
00:57:37,480 –> 00:57:40,030
Dumars answer was on the basis of my

1325
00:57:40,030 –> 00:57:42,120
feeling what else

1326
00:57:42,120 –> 00:57:46,330
well cobblestone was kind had I’ve been

1327
00:57:46,330 –> 00:57:48,430
there have been very tempted to say mr.

1328
00:57:48,430 –> 00:57:50,440
Russell in some cultures they love their

1329
00:57:50,440 –> 00:57:52,030
neighbors in other cultures they eat

1330
00:57:52,030 –> 00:57:55,270
them do you have a personal feeling

1331
00:57:55,270 –> 00:57:58,800
about which is better of these two

1332
00:57:58,800 –> 00:58:01,140
see when you say this evil this good

1333
00:58:01,140 –> 00:58:03,030
when you say this good there’s a moral

1334
00:58:03,030 –> 00:58:05,130
law and he granted that I said but if

1335
00:58:05,130 –> 00:58:07,530
you assumed as a moral law you must

1336
00:58:07,530 –> 00:58:09,510
Falls it a moral lawgiver

1337
00:58:09,510 –> 00:58:10,860
but that’s whom you’re trying to

1338
00:58:10,860 –> 00:58:12,840
disprove and not prove if there’s no

1339
00:58:12,840 –> 00:58:14,910
moral lawgiver there’s no moral law if

1340
00:58:14,910 –> 00:58:16,830
there’s no moral law there’s no good if

1341
00:58:16,830 –> 00:58:19,110
there’s no good there’s no evil what is

1342
00:58:19,110 –> 00:58:23,580
your question he stood there looked at

1343
00:58:23,580 –> 00:58:28,400
me and said what then am I asking you I

1344
00:58:28,400 –> 00:58:31,440
knew what he was asking me but I was

1345
00:58:31,440 –> 00:58:33,540
just trying to mind him logically this

1346
00:58:33,540 –> 00:58:35,760
is a chaotic question as much for the

1347
00:58:35,760 –> 00:58:37,860
questioner as it is for the one being

1348
00:58:37,860 –> 00:58:40,590
questioned there is no absolute morality

1349
00:58:40,590 –> 00:58:43,890
without God so if the question is

1350
00:58:43,890 –> 00:58:46,740
meaningful God has to remain with the

1351
00:58:46,740 –> 00:58:49,320
paradigm in the paradigm if there is no

1352
00:58:49,320 –> 00:58:52,110
God it’s a meaningless emotive question

1353
00:58:52,110 –> 00:58:54,900
it is not logically consistent so

1354
00:58:54,900 –> 00:58:57,270
logically you have to evaluate the

1355
00:58:57,270 –> 00:58:59,940
question and God has to remain in the

1356
00:58:59,940 –> 00:59:02,910
paradigm number two if that is the case

1357
00:59:02,910 –> 00:59:06,180
then we have to realize that what has

1358
00:59:06,180 –> 00:59:08,580
ultimately brought evil and suffering in

1359
00:59:08,580 –> 00:59:13,230
this world is our departure from God sin

1360
00:59:13,230 –> 00:59:16,200
is a violation of purpose we have

1361
00:59:16,200 –> 00:59:19,350
departed from him and the Solidarity of

1362
00:59:19,350 –> 00:59:21,600
our humanity has that ripple effect

1363
00:59:21,600 –> 00:59:24,530
where it comes upon all of us pain

1364
00:59:24,530 –> 00:59:27,750
suffering anguish and when we come back

1365
00:59:27,750 –> 00:59:30,420
to him we come back to him by faith and

1366
00:59:30,420 –> 00:59:33,630
by His grace in order to sustain us and

1367
00:59:33,630 –> 00:59:36,660
give us that day-to-day strength so if

1368
00:59:36,660 –> 00:59:38,700
you are suffering as a person as a

1369
00:59:38,700 –> 00:59:42,270
questioner I just say to you first

1370
00:59:42,270 –> 00:59:45,330
remember that what Chesterton said when

1371
00:59:45,330 –> 00:59:47,190
belief in God becomes difficult the

1372
00:59:47,190 –> 00:59:49,800
tendency is to turn away from him but in

1373
00:59:49,800 –> 00:59:53,310
heaven’s name to what when belief in God

1374
00:59:53,310 –> 00:59:54,900
becomes difficult the tendency is to

1375
00:59:54,900 –> 00:59:56,490
turn away from him in heaven’s name to

1376
00:59:56,490 –> 00:59:56,820
what

1377
00:59:56,820 –> 00:59:59,580
what paradigm are we going to turn to to

1378
00:59:59,580 –> 01:00:01,440
answer this question are we going to say

1379
01:00:01,440 –> 01:00:04,980
it doesn’t matter or it’s not real so I

1380
01:00:04,980 –> 01:00:07,380
give you two illustrations what I want

1381
01:00:07,380 –> 01:00:08,770
to sustain you with here

1382
01:00:08,770 –> 01:00:12,040
Annie Johnston Flint was one of the

1383
01:00:12,040 –> 01:00:14,230
greatest hymn writers if you read her

1384
01:00:14,230 –> 01:00:17,530
biography it’s called the making of the

1385
01:00:17,530 –> 01:00:20,500
beautiful written by Roland Bingham she

1386
01:00:20,500 –> 01:00:23,950
was born as a as any Johnston shortly

1387
01:00:23,950 –> 01:00:26,050
after that was orphaned and raised by

1388
01:00:26,050 –> 01:00:27,880
the Flint family and so she’s known to

1389
01:00:27,880 –> 01:00:30,880
the world as Annie Johnston Flint she

1390
01:00:30,880 –> 01:00:34,210
suffered a lot in her life she got

1391
01:00:34,210 –> 01:00:36,580
rheumatoid arthritis till she was

1392
01:00:36,580 –> 01:00:38,830
stressed it up in bed for many many

1393
01:00:38,830 –> 01:00:42,369
decades she had cancer inside of her she

1394
01:00:42,369 –> 01:00:45,580
was incontinent and lived on diapers and

1395
01:00:45,580 –> 01:00:48,910
blindness started to overtake her she

1396
01:00:48,910 –> 01:00:51,910
was a beautiful hymn writer and one of

1397
01:00:51,910 –> 01:00:53,560
the most beautiful hymns she wrote

1398
01:00:53,560 –> 01:00:56,020
Roland Bingham said before she died from

1399
01:00:56,020 –> 01:00:58,890
head to toe there were so many boils and

1400
01:00:58,890 –> 01:01:01,750
marks on her body from lying in bed that

1401
01:01:01,750 –> 01:01:03,820
she needed eight pillows just to cushion

1402
01:01:03,820 –> 01:01:08,590
her body she wrote this he giveth more

1403
01:01:08,590 –> 01:01:11,800
grace when the burdens grow greater he

1404
01:01:11,800 –> 01:01:14,230
sendeth more strength when the Labor’s

1405
01:01:14,230 –> 01:01:17,830
increase to added affliction he added

1406
01:01:17,830 –> 01:01:20,920
his mercy to multiply trials his

1407
01:01:20,920 –> 01:01:23,680
multiplied peace when we have exhausted

1408
01:01:23,680 –> 01:01:26,650
a store of endurance when our strength

1409
01:01:26,650 –> 01:01:29,560
has failed ere the day’s half done when

1410
01:01:29,560 –> 01:01:31,480
we reached the end of our hoarded

1411
01:01:31,480 –> 01:01:34,540
resources our father’s full giving has

1412
01:01:34,540 –> 01:01:37,630
only begun his love has no limit his

1413
01:01:37,630 –> 01:01:40,090
Grace has no measure his power has no

1414
01:01:40,090 –> 01:01:42,670
boundaries known unto men for out of His

1415
01:01:42,670 –> 01:01:45,310
infinite riches in Jesus he giveth and

1416
01:01:45,310 –> 01:01:51,040
giveth and giveth again the grace of God

1417
01:01:51,040 –> 01:01:56,050
the grace of God that sustains you will

1418
01:01:56,050 –> 01:01:58,270
be the testimony that will carry you

1419
01:01:58,270 –> 01:02:00,790
ultimately to the end of the day and you

1420
01:02:00,790 –> 01:02:03,369
know what this is not a cakewalk I would

1421
01:02:03,369 –> 01:02:04,960
never have dreamed that I would have to

1422
01:02:04,960 –> 01:02:07,180
live with a kind of ailment that I’m

1423
01:02:07,180 –> 01:02:10,330
living with right now but I wanted him

1424
01:02:10,330 –> 01:02:12,460
and I injured it and little realize how

1425
01:02:12,460 –> 01:02:14,650
it was going to change my life so I want

1426
01:02:14,650 –> 01:02:16,060
to give you this little positive

1427
01:02:16,060 –> 01:02:17,910
illustration and

1428
01:02:17,910 –> 01:02:20,880
may I recommend you get our book called

1429
01:02:20,880 –> 01:02:23,790
why suffering I’ve co-authored it with

1430
01:02:23,790 –> 01:02:26,880
my colleague from Oxford Vince Vitali he

1431
01:02:26,880 –> 01:02:29,400
is a brilliant writer Vince has some

1432
01:02:29,400 –> 01:02:31,890
insights into this that are so good and

1433
01:02:31,890 –> 01:02:35,370
he’s just a powerful he’s a PhD in

1434
01:02:35,370 –> 01:02:37,830
philosophy from Oxford University’s on

1435
01:02:37,830 –> 01:02:39,450
our faculty at the Oxford Centre for

1436
01:02:39,450 –> 01:02:40,440
Christian apologetics

1437
01:02:40,440 –> 01:02:42,690
so the sacra is vitally vice so why

1438
01:02:42,690 –> 01:02:45,870
suffering we go through several angles

1439
01:02:45,870 –> 01:02:53,340
into this about three summers ago I live

1440
01:02:53,340 –> 01:02:55,710
in Atlanta Georgia and one of my friends

1441
01:02:55,710 –> 01:02:58,110
from Singapore his name is do egg sang

1442
01:02:58,110 –> 01:03:00,960
he was the CEO of Gillette for Asia

1443
01:03:00,960 –> 01:03:04,320
Pacific so very fine man and do you

1444
01:03:04,320 –> 01:03:07,620
phone me said brother Ravi are you going

1445
01:03:07,620 –> 01:03:09,120
to be in town tomorrow I’m in Atlanta

1446
01:03:09,120 –> 01:03:11,430
I’d love to see you I said do I’m

1447
01:03:11,430 –> 01:03:13,350
leaving tomorrow for five weeks I’d love

1448
01:03:13,350 –> 01:03:15,450
to see you too but really I’m not gonna

1449
01:03:15,450 –> 01:03:17,700
be here after midday I’ve gotta go to be

1450
01:03:17,700 –> 01:03:20,430
flying out he said Ravi I have to see

1451
01:03:20,430 –> 01:03:23,400
you I don’t know brother something’s

1452
01:03:23,400 –> 01:03:25,830
wrong I said alright I’ll meet you for a

1453
01:03:25,830 –> 01:03:27,600
quick breakfast we thirty minutes and

1454
01:03:27,600 –> 01:03:29,190
then I have to go back home and pick up

1455
01:03:29,190 –> 01:03:31,520
my bags and leaving he said that’s fine

1456
01:03:31,520 –> 01:03:34,770
so we met at a little pancake house type

1457
01:03:34,770 –> 01:03:36,960
place how are the pancakes and they sat

1458
01:03:36,960 –> 01:03:38,040
there in front of us we never even

1459
01:03:38,040 –> 01:03:40,680
touched them he said you know Ravi I

1460
01:03:40,680 –> 01:03:42,780
wake up every morning and I’ve had habit

1461
01:03:42,780 –> 01:03:44,940
before I wash up and get on my knees for

1462
01:03:44,940 –> 01:03:48,000
my formal time of prayer I line bed for

1463
01:03:48,000 –> 01:03:49,760
about thirty minutes and I just say this

1464
01:03:49,760 –> 01:03:54,300
Lord speak to me if there’s anything you

1465
01:03:54,300 –> 01:03:56,250
want me to do to prepare for this day

1466
01:03:56,250 –> 01:03:59,270
and he said I lie there

1467
01:03:59,270 –> 01:04:01,770
he said yesterday being in Atlanta you

1468
01:04:01,770 –> 01:04:04,610
are so much on my mind and he said and

1469
01:04:04,610 –> 01:04:08,310
you came to my mind and I said Lord is

1470
01:04:08,310 –> 01:04:10,140
there any word you want me to give my

1471
01:04:10,140 –> 01:04:13,680
brother Ravi he said and God spoke to me

1472
01:04:13,680 –> 01:04:16,230
and that’s what I wanted to see you boy

1473
01:04:16,230 –> 01:04:18,560
that scared me

1474
01:04:18,560 –> 01:04:22,200
never had anything happened like this he

1475
01:04:22,200 –> 01:04:25,140
looked at me and he said God told me in

1476
01:04:25,140 –> 01:04:29,310
my thinking there to tell you that the

1477
01:04:29,310 –> 01:04:31,710
anointing on your life and the years to

1478
01:04:31,710 –> 01:04:33,869
come will be greater than the years that

1479
01:04:33,869 –> 01:04:37,650
have gone by I just looked at him essa

1480
01:04:37,650 –> 01:04:41,880
do you sure the Lord told you this he

1481
01:04:41,880 –> 01:04:43,470
said yes my brother he’s a but then he

1482
01:04:43,470 –> 01:04:44,850
told me something and that’s why I

1483
01:04:44,850 –> 01:04:48,060
wanted to see you he said Dell Ravi he

1484
01:04:48,060 –> 01:04:49,920
will still have a lot of struggles and

1485
01:04:49,920 –> 01:04:53,430
challenges physically but I’m going to

1486
01:04:53,430 –> 01:04:57,840
take care of him three four five he said

1487
01:04:57,840 –> 01:05:00,119
lord I don’t know what you mean he said

1488
01:05:00,119 –> 01:05:00,900
you tell Ravi

1489
01:05:00,900 –> 01:05:03,240
he’ll know what I mean I’m here to tell

1490
01:05:03,240 –> 01:05:04,530
you the Lord said you’ll have many

1491
01:05:04,530 –> 01:05:06,090
challenges but he’s going to take care

1492
01:05:06,090 –> 01:05:08,369
of you three four five does that mean

1493
01:05:08,369 –> 01:05:12,270
anything to you I said do for the last

1494
01:05:12,270 –> 01:05:15,420
28 years I have lived with a broken back

1495
01:05:15,420 –> 01:05:18,150
and it came about by the herniation of

1496
01:05:18,150 –> 01:05:22,770
l34 and l4 5 and I’m straddled from l3

1497
01:05:22,770 –> 01:05:26,190
to s1 those bolts and me so when you say

1498
01:05:26,190 –> 01:05:28,740
three four five all I can think of is l3

1499
01:05:28,740 –> 01:05:34,050
for an l4 five he started crying he said

1500
01:05:34,050 –> 01:05:36,359
I knew nothing of what the spine is like

1501
01:05:36,359 –> 01:05:38,310
you said where is this so I told him

1502
01:05:38,310 –> 01:05:40,109
just about that belt line he put his

1503
01:05:40,109 –> 01:05:42,560
hand on my back and he prayed for me

1504
01:05:42,560 –> 01:05:47,250
I’ve been prayed for many times I’ve got

1505
01:05:47,250 –> 01:05:48,990
all the oils in the world that can be

1506
01:05:48,990 –> 01:05:52,080
tested you know so if you’re sending me

1507
01:05:52,080 –> 01:05:53,760
any please send it to somebody else who

1508
01:05:53,760 –> 01:05:55,380
might need it I’ve got all the oils that

1509
01:05:55,380 –> 01:05:58,980
I need I’m joking about that I’ve

1510
01:05:58,980 –> 01:06:00,869
appreciated those of trying to help me

1511
01:06:00,869 –> 01:06:03,240
he prayed I went back home and I was

1512
01:06:03,240 –> 01:06:04,740
hurriedly try I know I couldn’t even

1513
01:06:04,740 –> 01:06:06,570
bend down I can’t lift a suitcase I got

1514
01:06:06,570 –> 01:06:09,109
left a bag so I travel a my colleague

1515
01:06:09,109 –> 01:06:12,540
and I told Margie honey something

1516
01:06:12,540 –> 01:06:13,950
happened this morning but I don’t want

1517
01:06:13,950 –> 01:06:16,350
you to tell anybody don’t tell anybody

1518
01:06:16,350 –> 01:06:20,430
here’s what happened she’s at a while so

1519
01:06:20,430 –> 01:06:22,500
we left my colleague crin who was here

1520
01:06:22,500 –> 01:06:24,270
till today took ill and he’s flown back

1521
01:06:24,270 –> 01:06:28,260
to Atlanta he came pick me up went to

1522
01:06:28,260 –> 01:06:30,910
the airport and round and

1523
01:06:30,910 –> 01:06:34,300
next airport we’re checking going

1524
01:06:34,300 –> 01:06:36,670
through security and after security we I

1525
01:06:36,670 –> 01:06:39,130
get on my knees and tie my shoelace

1526
01:06:39,130 –> 01:06:42,520
because I could not cross my legs if I

1527
01:06:42,520 –> 01:06:45,070
did this just pull and I’d be limping

1528
01:06:45,070 –> 01:06:49,270
for days without even thinking I sat on

1529
01:06:49,270 –> 01:06:51,940
a chair cross my leg and started it tie

1530
01:06:51,940 –> 01:06:53,710
my shoelace and he looked at me and so

1531
01:06:53,710 –> 01:06:58,450
what are you doing from that day till

1532
01:06:58,450 –> 01:07:05,520
now I have never had any pain in my back

1533
01:07:09,000 –> 01:07:11,510
mr. moon

1534
01:07:11,510 –> 01:07:14,690
and by nervous that it might return oh

1535
01:07:14,690 –> 01:07:16,900
ye of little faith

1536
01:07:16,900 –> 01:07:19,550
do I have tightness and I have to be

1537
01:07:19,550 –> 01:07:21,440
careful but Thomas travels with me now

1538
01:07:21,440 –> 01:07:23,060
I’ll tell you I do not eat things I’ll

1539
01:07:23,060 –> 01:07:25,010
pick up my suitcase pick up my bags put

1540
01:07:25,010 –> 01:07:26,630
them up there do all kinds of things I

1541
01:07:26,630 –> 01:07:28,190
just say Lord if you have really healed

1542
01:07:28,190 –> 01:07:29,720
man need to at least be able to put my

1543
01:07:29,720 –> 01:07:32,620
briefcase up on the top out there I

1544
01:07:32,620 –> 01:07:36,080
don’t know what it means but I just want

1545
01:07:36,080 –> 01:07:39,160
to tell you God works on a timetable

1546
01:07:39,160 –> 01:07:42,410
he didn’t come for Lazarus when they

1547
01:07:42,410 –> 01:07:45,770
wanted him to come for Lazarus he said

1548
01:07:45,770 –> 01:07:47,180
this had done that the hook of God might

1549
01:07:47,180 –> 01:07:49,040
be displayed about the blind man whom he

1550
01:07:49,040 –> 01:07:51,620
healed if you’re struggling with a

1551
01:07:51,620 –> 01:07:55,490
personal physical malady God works with

1552
01:07:55,490 –> 01:07:58,910
a timetable and don’t be shocked if one

1553
01:07:58,910 –> 01:08:01,220
day he meets you in that need and you

1554
01:08:01,220 –> 01:08:04,340
are well again he may be that the

1555
01:08:04,340 –> 01:08:06,500
ultimate translation will come into his

1556
01:08:06,500 –> 01:08:07,370
very presence

1557
01:08:07,370 –> 01:08:10,490
I can’t guarantee how it’ll work I can

1558
01:08:10,490 –> 01:08:12,830
only tell you as a Christian apologist

1559
01:08:12,830 –> 01:08:15,440
who lives with so much thought my heart

1560
01:08:15,440 –> 01:08:18,529
has been strangely warmed by the miracle

1561
01:08:18,529 –> 01:08:21,439
of his healing twenty-eight years after

1562
01:08:21,439 –> 01:08:24,410
my injury with that back he works on a

1563
01:08:24,410 –> 01:08:27,920
timetable his grace is sufficient to

1564
01:08:27,920 –> 01:08:30,319
raise the question without him makes the

1565
01:08:30,319 –> 01:08:32,779
question moot so they make the question

1566
01:08:32,779 –> 01:08:35,149
consistent and find His grace sufficient

1567
01:08:35,149 –> 01:08:38,390
and work with this timetable you can

1568
01:08:38,390 –> 01:08:41,330
become a shining light even in your pain

1569
01:08:41,330 –> 01:08:44,029
to a world that’s desperately looking

1570
01:08:44,029 –> 01:08:46,850
for examples in that one man told me and

1571
01:08:46,850 –> 01:08:49,189
I close with this he said to me when

1572
01:08:49,189 –> 01:08:51,020
you’re looking to be mentored and

1573
01:08:51,020 –> 01:08:53,960
discipled look to somebody who has

1574
01:08:53,960 –> 01:08:57,290
suffered much and whose faith in God has

1575
01:08:57,290 –> 01:09:01,160
remained unshaken those are the mentors

1576
01:09:01,160 –> 01:09:03,500
I look for so that’s my answer to this

1577
01:09:03,500 –> 01:09:05,000
person maybe we can take one more I

1578
01:09:05,000 –> 01:09:08,229
don’t know how this goes oh one thing

1579
01:09:08,229 –> 01:09:11,540
Margie is obvious that the next time

1580
01:09:11,540 –> 01:09:13,609
Robbie’s tells you don’t tell anybody

1581
01:09:13,609 –> 01:09:14,779
you don’t have to take that that

1582
01:09:14,779 –> 01:09:16,600
seriously

1583
01:09:16,600 –> 01:09:20,410
and that’s right

1584
01:09:20,410 –> 01:09:26,710
come on down living on this side of the

1585
01:09:26,710 –> 01:09:28,090
cross and understanding the significance

1586
01:09:28,090 –> 01:09:32,250
of it and satisfying the wrath of God

1587
01:09:33,420 –> 01:09:35,680
living on this side of the cross and

1588
01:09:35,680 –> 01:09:37,750
understand the significance of it and

1589
01:09:37,750 –> 01:09:39,310
satisfying the wrath of God our

1590
01:09:39,310 –> 01:09:40,930
believers called to be pacifist

1591
01:09:40,930 –> 01:09:44,710
specifically in military services I’ve

1592
01:09:44,710 –> 01:09:46,450
got the first talk living on this side

1593
01:09:46,450 –> 01:09:50,380
of the cross and our believers called to

1594
01:09:50,380 –> 01:09:53,170
be pacifist hold on military services

1595
01:09:53,170 –> 01:09:58,810
game you know are you in the Armed

1596
01:09:58,810 –> 01:09:59,320
Forces

1597
01:09:59,320 –> 01:10:01,960
no well you look like you should be you

1598
01:10:01,960 –> 01:10:06,850
look strong enough eh yeah I do a lot

1599
01:10:06,850 –> 01:10:10,570
with our military I’ve been to so many

1600
01:10:10,570 –> 01:10:13,210
of their bases all over you know from

1601
01:10:13,210 –> 01:10:17,500
Guam to Ramstein to Qatar Doha and many

1602
01:10:17,500 –> 01:10:19,240
of those and I guess took guard

1603
01:10:19,240 –> 01:10:21,670
I had many all of our academies I’ve

1604
01:10:21,670 –> 01:10:23,560
been to the Air Force in this year on be

1605
01:10:23,560 –> 01:10:25,330
back at the Annapolis for the third time

1606
01:10:25,330 –> 01:10:28,120
I’ve done West Point and so on I have

1607
01:10:28,120 –> 01:10:30,880
the highest gratitude and respect for

1608
01:10:30,880 –> 01:10:33,640
our armed forces because I know how they

1609
01:10:33,640 –> 01:10:35,980
sacrifice their life sometimes in even

1610
01:10:35,980 –> 01:10:38,560
meaningless Wars that seem so that we

1611
01:10:38,560 –> 01:10:40,300
may have our freedom and these values

1612
01:10:40,300 –> 01:10:42,840
are always purchased at a great price

1613
01:10:42,840 –> 01:10:46,000
when I was in my 20s I was halfway

1614
01:10:46,000 –> 01:10:47,740
through my undergraduate studies in

1615
01:10:47,740 –> 01:10:51,910
Toronto Canada and I was invited to go

1616
01:10:51,910 –> 01:10:54,400
to Vietnam I was not in the Armed Forces

1617
01:10:54,400 –> 01:10:57,220
but I covered the length of that country

1618
01:10:57,220 –> 01:10:58,600
all the way down in the south from

1619
01:10:58,600 –> 01:11:01,450
boomtown through Saigon and a lot and

1620
01:11:01,450 –> 01:11:04,600
way and Gwang I Kuan tree all the way to

1621
01:11:04,600 –> 01:11:06,730
the Demilitarized Zone in Quon tree

1622
01:11:06,730 –> 01:11:08,800
watching the war going on in the number

1623
01:11:08,800 –> 01:11:11,580
two amber colored sky I flew with the

1624
01:11:11,580 –> 01:11:13,780
military they would fly me in their

1625
01:11:13,780 –> 01:11:15,700
gunships their choppers and all of that

1626
01:11:15,700 –> 01:11:18,010
because of them I got to all of the

1627
01:11:18,010 –> 01:11:21,130
major areas and I gained a deep

1628
01:11:21,130 –> 01:11:23,140
appreciation for the loneliness that

1629
01:11:23,140 –> 01:11:25,290
they go through and some of the fear

1630
01:11:25,290 –> 01:11:28,440
one day in saigon was a whole slew of

1631
01:11:28,440 –> 01:11:31,800
airmen and the closing hymn they say the

1632
01:11:31,800 –> 01:11:34,470
church service sang the pasta was a man

1633
01:11:34,470 –> 01:11:36,300
by the name of paul boob now became a

1634
01:11:36,300 –> 01:11:39,300
personal friend of mine and the booming

1635
01:11:39,300 –> 01:11:41,580
voices singing it as well with my soul

1636
01:11:41,580 –> 01:11:44,310
and at the end of it the pastor looked

1637
01:11:44,310 –> 01:11:46,230
at me and said most of these boys will

1638
01:11:46,230 –> 01:11:48,660
not return after the next mission you

1639
01:11:48,660 –> 01:11:51,570
know that’s how serious it was so that

1640
01:11:51,570 –> 01:11:54,450
I’ve seen warfare close on hand it

1641
01:11:54,450 –> 01:11:58,110
changed me change my ministry in a world

1642
01:11:58,110 –> 01:12:00,840
that has fallen in a world that is

1643
01:12:00,840 –> 01:12:04,050
skewed and a world that has gone so far

1644
01:12:04,050 –> 01:12:07,590
away from God our nation that needs to

1645
01:12:07,590 –> 01:12:10,050
survive it needs to protect its families

1646
01:12:10,050 –> 01:12:12,540
that need to protect its children needs

1647
01:12:12,540 –> 01:12:15,510
a strong military to defend it where

1648
01:12:15,510 –> 01:12:17,910
there are exploiters and abusers who

1649
01:12:17,910 –> 01:12:20,310
will seek to destroy us and take away

1650
01:12:20,310 –> 01:12:21,930
the lives of our families and our

1651
01:12:21,930 –> 01:12:24,030
children and the simple prints are I

1652
01:12:24,030 –> 01:12:26,220
believe in the Just War theory I don’t

1653
01:12:26,220 –> 01:12:28,350
have time to go into that I am

1654
01:12:28,350 –> 01:12:31,080
personally not a pacifist but I do know

1655
01:12:31,080 –> 01:12:32,670
there are many who are and I will

1656
01:12:32,670 –> 01:12:35,640
respect that conviction and many of them

1657
01:12:35,640 –> 01:12:37,800
will end up as chaplains or whatever are

1658
01:12:37,800 –> 01:12:39,960
working in hospitals and I will honor

1659
01:12:39,960 –> 01:12:43,200
that because God can put that conviction

1660
01:12:43,200 –> 01:12:46,170
into people’s heart for that reason but

1661
01:12:46,170 –> 01:12:48,060
I think they need to do it for the

1662
01:12:48,060 –> 01:12:50,700
conviction of why they are there in that

1663
01:12:50,700 –> 01:12:53,190
situation all I know is if all of us

1664
01:12:53,190 –> 01:12:55,560
became pacifists we’re finished tomorrow

1665
01:12:55,560 –> 01:12:57,210
there would be no tomorrow for the

1666
01:12:57,210 –> 01:13:00,360
country if for somebody I know I don’t

1667
01:13:00,360 –> 01:13:04,110
have a daunting physique I was speaking

1668
01:13:04,110 –> 01:13:06,060
to the Atlanta Braves once and I walked

1669
01:13:06,060 –> 01:13:08,610
in and said it’s terrible to walk in and

1670
01:13:08,610 –> 01:13:10,110
be the only one who fails the physical

1671
01:13:10,110 –> 01:13:12,750
and looking at them I’ll tell you the

1672
01:13:12,750 –> 01:13:14,730
funny line I gave my wife a hug once

1673
01:13:14,730 –> 01:13:16,890
she’s from Canada they have a very

1674
01:13:16,890 –> 01:13:18,600
subtle sense of humor

1675
01:13:18,600 –> 01:13:20,550
the Canadians do you know we’ve been

1676
01:13:20,550 –> 01:13:23,010
married 42 years I gave her a big hug

1677
01:13:23,010 –> 01:13:26,460
hug and she looks at me and says she has

1678
01:13:26,460 –> 01:13:28,290
a nickname for me which I won’t give to

1679
01:13:28,290 –> 01:13:31,530
you and then she said you have the arms

1680
01:13:31,530 –> 01:13:35,150
of a thinking man

1681
01:13:37,630 –> 01:13:40,179
so after I retire I’m going to work out

1682
01:13:40,179 –> 01:13:41,860
and develop the arms of a non-thinking

1683
01:13:41,860 –> 01:13:45,070
man so what I say to you is this if my

1684
01:13:45,070 –> 01:13:48,520
family were attacked I would do

1685
01:13:48,520 –> 01:13:51,369
everything in my power to overwhelm and

1686
01:13:51,369 –> 01:13:54,250
overcome the one who’s trying to hurt

1687
01:13:54,250 –> 01:13:55,869
them whether I had the strength or not

1688
01:13:55,869 –> 01:13:58,000
would be immaterial I would have the

1689
01:13:58,000 –> 01:14:00,610
will to defend them and I think we

1690
01:14:00,610 –> 01:14:02,469
especially in this country now need to

1691
01:14:02,469 –> 01:14:03,909
know there are those who are going to

1692
01:14:03,909 –> 01:14:06,639
seek to destroy us and try to overwhelm

1693
01:14:06,639 –> 01:14:09,940
us we need to be strong and just and

1694
01:14:09,940 –> 01:14:13,239
wise and know how to pick these battles

1695
01:14:13,239 –> 01:14:17,800
the fact of the matter is in the whole

1696
01:14:17,800 –> 01:14:19,630
Testament and even in the New Testament

1697
01:14:19,630 –> 01:14:21,369
where there were soldiers and all often

1698
01:14:21,369 –> 01:14:26,650
in places of the defense needed that we

1699
01:14:26,650 –> 01:14:28,989
have to protect the integrity of a

1700
01:14:28,989 –> 01:14:32,949
country and of safety of our children so

1701
01:14:32,949 –> 01:14:35,199
I believe if a person is a pacifist I

1702
01:14:35,199 –> 01:14:37,540
will respect his or her conviction I am

1703
01:14:37,540 –> 01:14:40,420
NOT of that stripe I would believe

1704
01:14:40,420 –> 01:14:42,340
firmly our country needs a strong

1705
01:14:42,340 –> 01:14:45,099
defense lest it be overwhelmed by those

1706
01:14:45,099 –> 01:14:47,560
with evil intentions and a worldview

1707
01:14:47,560 –> 01:14:50,110
that would destroy the values for which

1708
01:14:50,110 –> 01:14:52,420
this country stands and was built leave

1709
01:14:52,420 –> 01:14:55,739
you with that now

1710
01:15:00,600 –> 01:15:07,170
as my closing statement oh yeah I see

1711
01:15:07,170 –> 01:15:09,570
two more that one way yeah yeah this is

1712
01:15:09,570 –> 01:15:11,580
when you think you’ll want to answer

1713
01:15:11,580 –> 01:15:13,620
this is from our student ministries

1714
01:15:13,620 –> 01:15:15,660
who’s meeting in another building it

1715
01:15:15,660 –> 01:15:17,970
says this is student watching from the

1716
01:15:17,970 –> 01:15:19,830
porch and I was wondering how students

1717
01:15:19,830 –> 01:15:21,900
the next generation should study

1718
01:15:21,900 –> 01:15:24,000
apologetics and approach those who are

1719
01:15:24,000 –> 01:15:26,100
skeptical to the faith how do we share a

1720
01:15:26,100 –> 01:15:27,540
faith that are getting judged as the

1721
01:15:27,540 –> 01:15:29,640
socially awkward religious kid primarily

1722
01:15:29,640 –> 01:15:31,380
for the student world I mean right yeah

1723
01:15:31,380 –> 01:15:33,150
be want you to talk about what you want

1724
01:15:33,150 –> 01:15:35,070
to do in Atlanta – oh okay there thank

1725
01:15:35,070 –> 01:15:38,370
you so much all right sir I’ll take

1726
01:15:38,370 –> 01:15:40,340
yours at the end you look terribly

1727
01:15:40,340 –> 01:15:43,110
saddened although you’re not now that

1728
01:15:43,110 –> 01:15:45,240
I’ll take that just don’t make it

1729
01:15:45,240 –> 01:15:46,860
difficult all right not the age of the

1730
01:15:46,860 –> 01:15:49,580
earth or anything like that

1731
01:15:49,580 –> 01:15:52,470
thank you for asking that is that a

1732
01:15:52,470 –> 01:15:54,000
university student level or a high

1733
01:15:54,000 –> 01:15:55,770
school level high school wow that’s

1734
01:15:55,770 –> 01:15:56,880
great

1735
01:15:56,880 –> 01:15:59,640
if we don’t reach our young if we don’t

1736
01:15:59,640 –> 01:16:01,980
encourage our students to think if we

1737
01:16:01,980 –> 01:16:04,230
don’t train them how to think if we

1738
01:16:04,230 –> 01:16:06,150
don’t give them the disciplines of how

1739
01:16:06,150 –> 01:16:07,380
to answer questions

1740
01:16:07,380 –> 01:16:09,540
we are flirting with the extinction of

1741
01:16:09,540 –> 01:16:12,390
the church in the next generation we

1742
01:16:12,390 –> 01:16:15,360
simply have to give look at I mean this

1743
01:16:15,360 –> 01:16:17,130
is the largest turnout we’ve had of the

1744
01:16:17,130 –> 01:16:18,840
three days and there was no preaching I

1745
01:16:18,840 –> 01:16:20,070
don’t know what that says about the

1746
01:16:20,070 –> 01:16:21,900
preaching but you came to in order to

1747
01:16:21,900 –> 01:16:25,470
listen to some questions on cert we all

1748
01:16:25,470 –> 01:16:27,510
have those questions we have to put it

1749
01:16:27,510 –> 01:16:30,750
together in our 1 2 3 4 5 grid we have

1750
01:16:30,750 –> 01:16:32,910
to look for the answers because there’s

1751
01:16:32,910 –> 01:16:34,950
no way you can ultimately trust until it

1752
01:16:34,950 –> 01:16:37,260
has also made sense in your head now it

1753
01:16:37,260 –> 01:16:40,260
may not always make satisfaction but it

1754
01:16:40,260 –> 01:16:42,030
does make sense within a worldview if

1755
01:16:42,030 –> 01:16:43,200
you’re watching The Phantom of the Opera

1756
01:16:43,200 –> 01:16:45,630
and you’ve never seen the play you

1757
01:16:45,630 –> 01:16:47,310
listen to all those screams you’ll never

1758
01:16:47,310 –> 01:16:49,110
believe it’s music until you know the

1759
01:16:49,110 –> 01:16:51,570
story of why the screaming is going on

1760
01:16:51,570 –> 01:16:53,700
it fits into the narrative so you have

1761
01:16:53,700 –> 01:16:55,650
to know the narrative and the big

1762
01:16:55,650 –> 01:16:57,720
picture and then both the laughter and

1763
01:16:57,720 –> 01:17:00,240
the screams find their place to the

1764
01:17:00,240 –> 01:17:03,920
young I would say learn to read well

1765
01:17:03,920 –> 01:17:08,010
select your authors well I mean read I

1766
01:17:08,010 –> 01:17:10,650
don’t just mean listen I don’t just mean

1767
01:17:10,650 –> 01:17:12,370
watch learn to

1768
01:17:12,370 –> 01:17:15,310
read well because in reading you are

1769
01:17:15,310 –> 01:17:18,130
getting exact expressions what did

1770
01:17:18,130 –> 01:17:21,310
somebody say reading makes a an informed

1771
01:17:21,310 –> 01:17:23,620
person writing makes an exact person so

1772
01:17:23,620 –> 01:17:26,260
the writer is trying to be exact in what

1773
01:17:26,260 –> 01:17:28,630
they’re saying and as you glean from

1774
01:17:28,630 –> 01:17:30,700
their writing you will start writing

1775
01:17:30,700 –> 01:17:34,300
ideas to eye books are my friends I mean

1776
01:17:34,300 –> 01:17:36,850
I have several thousand if volumes in my

1777
01:17:36,850 –> 01:17:39,730
library my dad never could have believed

1778
01:17:39,730 –> 01:17:41,680
that one day I’d be living with books

1779
01:17:41,680 –> 01:17:43,870
I always thought books were mainly meant

1780
01:17:43,870 –> 01:17:45,970
to put lampstands on or something like

1781
01:17:45,970 –> 01:17:46,360
that

1782
01:17:46,360 –> 01:17:49,210
but it think of the volume of books you

1783
01:17:49,210 –> 01:17:56,530
know we think of the IBM 25 that what

1784
01:17:56,530 –> 01:17:59,200
was deep blue which we spit against a

1785
01:17:59,200 –> 01:18:01,030
man and one that khabar the best thing

1786
01:18:01,030 –> 01:18:03,550
and won that competition in that game do

1787
01:18:03,550 –> 01:18:07,720
you know how many pages of information

1788
01:18:07,720 –> 01:18:10,390
were put into that computer 200 million

1789
01:18:10,390 –> 01:18:14,530
pages of information with a ram capacity

1790
01:18:14,530 –> 01:18:16,600
and all of that and the algorithms to be

1791
01:18:16,600 –> 01:18:18,430
able to spit out an answer within three

1792
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seconds of anything that was asked but

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01:18:20,380 –> 01:18:22,780
it took that many millions of pages to

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01:18:22,780 –> 01:18:25,960
put it in there just enormous knowledge

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01:18:25,960 –> 01:18:30,790
I would say read well read good biblical

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01:18:30,790 –> 01:18:33,940
material first of all read the Bible and

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01:18:33,940 –> 01:18:34,810
get to know it

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01:18:34,810 –> 01:18:37,000
read devotional material read

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01:18:37,000 –> 01:18:39,340
philosophical material as you get more

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and more ready and whatever you read

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01:18:41,500 –> 01:18:44,050
never let it get to your head always

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01:18:44,050 –> 01:18:46,810
remain humble and teachable and know how

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01:18:46,810 –> 01:18:48,970
to use it wisely so the first thing is

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01:18:48,970 –> 01:18:51,220
reading the second thing is find the

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01:18:51,220 –> 01:18:54,310
right kind of mentor find the right kind

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01:18:54,310 –> 01:18:57,010
of person along whom side you will learn

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01:18:57,010 –> 01:18:59,590
to walk and be transparent and admit

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01:18:59,590 –> 01:19:02,140
what is going on inside of you don’t

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01:19:02,140 –> 01:19:05,080
fake it find the right kind of mentor be

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01:19:05,080 –> 01:19:07,950
active as a young person in your church

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01:19:07,950 –> 01:19:10,780
learn to attend learn to be regular

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01:19:10,780 –> 01:19:13,870
learn to give as a young person because

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where your treasure is there your heart

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01:19:15,370 –> 01:19:17,920
is also you’ll learn to give when you

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01:19:17,920 –> 01:19:20,650
really and truly love God choose the

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01:19:20,650 –> 01:19:23,830
right friends very critical because a

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friend can lead you all in the wrong

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01:19:25,870 –> 01:19:28,630
Direction learn to select the best

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01:19:28,630 –> 01:19:31,150
professors whom you will listen to and

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01:19:31,150 –> 01:19:33,640
be mentored by one professor can turn

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01:19:33,640 –> 01:19:35,620
you on a journey into life where you

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01:19:35,620 –> 01:19:39,280
never ever dreamed I now all my calling

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01:19:39,280 –> 01:19:42,370
to my professors under whom I studied

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they were really my teachers and

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instructors most importantly I would say

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then find the right kind of partner in

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life who would stand by you because the

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journey is very lonely as you walk with

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God and serve God but start by the word

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learn to read well get yourself a mentor

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be active in your group and in church

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where you’re being fed and the mutual

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growth comes about select your friends

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wisely learn to give and I say finally

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01:20:13,090 –> 01:20:17,020
select your mate very very carefully you

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01:20:17,020 –> 01:20:19,330
will make either your heaven or hell in

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this world depending on whom you select

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and some of you are shaking your head

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01:20:23,260 –> 01:20:25,300
like it’s too late or what I don’t know

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what it is I hope not and one thing I

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want to end with what pastor Coffey

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01:20:31,120 –> 01:20:34,450
asked me to say you know if I can take a

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01:20:34,450 –> 01:20:35,950
few minutes you’re already here you have

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01:20:35,950 –> 01:20:37,540
suffered this long miss will suffer a

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01:20:37,540 –> 01:20:42,130
little longer last year I was in Jakarta

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01:20:42,130 –> 01:20:44,410
Indonesia and a friend of mine was

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01:20:44,410 –> 01:20:47,290
trying to twist my arm into Billy

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01:20:47,290 –> 01:20:49,930
building an apologetics University in

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01:20:49,930 –> 01:20:52,360
Indonesia and he was willing to buy the

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01:20:52,360 –> 01:20:54,760
land buy the building all of this and

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01:20:54,760 –> 01:20:56,590
finally I looked at him I said you know

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01:20:56,590 –> 01:20:59,530
I have heard it said that university

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01:20:59,530 –> 01:21:02,230
professors never die they just lose

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their faculties

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I said you want me to run a university

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01:21:07,840 –> 01:21:11,680
from Atlanta here in Jakarta I said do

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me a favor help me build one in Atlanta

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01:21:14,880 –> 01:21:17,530
so that I don’t have to leave my family

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01:21:17,530 –> 01:21:20,170
anymore we will do it out of there and

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01:21:20,170 –> 01:21:22,690
so we started dreaming together and he

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gave the first major gift towards it we

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01:21:25,600 –> 01:21:27,070
are presently looking at a property

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01:21:27,070 –> 01:21:29,380
that’s about 80 acres with four

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01:21:29,380 –> 01:21:33,280
buildings about 220,000 square feet we

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01:21:33,280 –> 01:21:35,290
are right in the thick of negotiations

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01:21:35,290 –> 01:21:38,200
it has lecture halls 35 hotel rooms

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built-in it’s a state-of-the-art

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building ready to move and do with

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01:21:43,990 –> 01:21:46,870
instra instruction we want to bring in

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the finest Christian scholars and put

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01:21:49,330 –> 01:21:51,550
some of them in residence bring in our

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young people at at an early age

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01:21:54,150 –> 01:21:57,190
bringing out pastors our youth pastors

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our business people those who don’t need

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to get intimidated by the Oxford program

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01:22:02,860 –> 01:22:04,630
which we run which is a degree program

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01:22:04,630 –> 01:22:07,540
but at a popular level level can be

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armed and equipped to meet the challenge

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01:22:10,180 –> 01:22:13,540
of our times please pray with us it’s an

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enormous number we’re looking at and you

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01:22:15,820 –> 01:22:17,440
know after 30 years of leading this

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organization the last thing I want to do

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01:22:20,230 –> 01:22:23,260
is put the organization in debt so we

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01:22:23,260 –> 01:22:26,170
are praying very hard and the slew of

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01:22:26,170 –> 01:22:28,680
young apologists like Nabeel Qureshi

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01:22:28,680 –> 01:22:32,650
Michael ramsden Vince Vitale Tom Price

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01:22:32,650 –> 01:22:36,490
Amy or Ewing Tanya Walker or there’s so

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01:22:36,490 –> 01:22:38,560
many if I start naming all of them we’ve

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got about 40 some apologists placed in

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11 countries and we want the Atlanta

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01:22:44,050 –> 01:22:46,120
Institute of apologetics and

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contemporary thought to become a world

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01:22:48,580 –> 01:22:51,460
center for Christian apologetics so that

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01:22:51,460 –> 01:22:54,190
the media can go there and find how the

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01:22:54,190 –> 01:22:56,350
Christians are answering the toughest

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01:22:56,350 –> 01:22:59,680
questions in science in arts and in all

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01:22:59,680 –> 01:23:01,960
of the issues that confront us please

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01:23:01,960 –> 01:23:04,090
pray with us I would love to see this

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01:23:04,090 –> 01:23:06,610
thing ready by next year while there are

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01:23:06,610 –> 01:23:09,130
still some strands attached at may as

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01:23:09,130 –> 01:23:12,280
well see that fulfilled but I act the

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01:23:12,280 –> 01:23:13,690
Institute of Walla Jetix and

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01:23:13,690 –> 01:23:16,030
contemporary thought based in Atlanta

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01:23:16,030 –> 01:23:18,159
and since the pastor is so

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01:23:18,159 –> 01:23:19,989
gracious to us and we had breakfast this

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01:23:19,989 –> 01:23:22,329
morning if the Lord lays that on your

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01:23:22,329 –> 01:23:26,050
heart to help us get there I will just

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01:23:26,050 –> 01:23:28,179
rise up and call you blessed that’s

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01:23:28,179 –> 01:23:31,840
exactly what we need to get done for the

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01:23:31,840 –> 01:23:34,630
sake of the youth of our time that is

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01:23:34,630 –> 01:23:37,300
the burden on my heart to really fulfill

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01:23:37,300 –> 01:23:40,150
that it may be the greatest legacy I

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01:23:40,150 –> 01:23:42,459
would want to leave in my lifetime even

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01:23:42,459 –> 01:23:44,320
beyond the books a Training Institute

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01:23:44,320 –> 01:23:47,590
for young thinkers that can take on a

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01:23:47,590 –> 01:23:50,590
scorching paganism that is surrounding

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01:23:50,590 –> 01:23:52,749
us so we want to be that kind of place

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01:23:52,749 –> 01:23:53,769
at Oxford

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01:23:53,769 –> 01:23:56,110
we’ve got Walker the Oxford Centre for

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01:23:56,110 –> 01:23:57,729
Christian apologetics academically

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01:23:57,729 –> 01:24:00,099
strong in Atlanta at a popular level

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where we can bring people from all over

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the world that’s our dream yes sir I

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don’t have any question about the

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divinity of Christ we all fully believe

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that Yahweh Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit

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is being part of the Trinity we also

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believe that Jesus Christ has been Co

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internal with the Yahweh but when it

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says Christ is the son of God I don’t

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understand what does that son mean I

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wish that ended earlier my goodness

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01:24:36,659 –> 01:24:40,469
I don’t want to dodge it but let me tell

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01:24:40,469 –> 01:24:43,139
you this have you got our book beyond

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01:24:43,139 –> 01:24:46,590
opinion not awesome I’ll get a hold of

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01:24:46,590 –> 01:24:48,179
it and if you can’t afford it write to

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01:24:48,179 –> 01:24:51,300
me I’ll send you a copy we’ve got one of

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01:24:51,300 –> 01:24:53,880
my former colleagues ltj Chandran whose

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01:24:53,880 –> 01:24:56,730
entire specialty is in this issue of coy

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01:24:56,730 –> 01:25:02,340
tonality and essence my knees and you’re

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01:25:02,340 –> 01:25:05,880
asking me the question have you read out

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01:25:05,880 –> 01:25:09,330
his chapter on that English is my second

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01:25:09,330 –> 01:25:12,179
language I don’t read much but I will

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01:25:12,179 –> 01:25:14,760
listen to audio oh wow so you want to

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01:25:14,760 –> 01:25:16,889
read it in what Telugu or hey no no I

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01:25:16,889 –> 01:25:20,219
will buy the audio okay to get that book

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01:25:20,219 –> 01:25:22,679
and second thing I will ask you if you

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01:25:22,679 –> 01:25:25,500
could last on Wednesday Nabeel Qureshi

1949
01:25:25,500 –> 01:25:29,070
debated this very issue with Shabbir Ali

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01:25:29,070 –> 01:25:32,070
the Muslim apologist from Toronto in

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01:25:32,070 –> 01:25:36,239
less than 24 hours over 30,000 had

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01:25:36,239 –> 01:25:38,940
viewed that debate and the Beals entire

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01:25:38,940 –> 01:25:41,370
thesis was that on the defense of the

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Trinity let me just say to you briefly

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that when you hear that and you read the

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01:25:47,190 –> 01:25:49,230
LTH on the run Streetman of the Trinity

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or Colin Gunton the English writer

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01:25:51,179 –> 01:25:54,690
they’ve dealt with this look at it

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01:25:54,690 –> 01:26:01,639
conversely if God were a monad a single

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entity without the tri-unity our

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01:26:05,130 –> 01:26:07,830
language would be staggering a bit

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because you start talking about God

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loving and God communicating who would

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he love love needs the significant other

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communicating his call there are two

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involved in a monadic concept love

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01:26:27,090 –> 01:26:30,659
becomes a vacuous term except that the

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01:26:30,659 –> 01:26:32,909
infinite needs the finite in order to

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01:26:32,909 –> 01:26:37,500
express that attribute of love but in

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the Trinity itself you have got

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community in the Trinity where there is

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01:26:44,820 –> 01:26:47,540
love co-equal in

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since and triune in person the greatest

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01:26:52,310 –> 01:26:55,880
search of the Greek philosophers was for

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01:26:55,880 –> 01:26:59,660
unity in diversity greatest search if

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01:26:59,660 –> 01:27:02,600
you lead Socrates Plato Aristotle they

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01:27:02,600 –> 01:27:04,790
were looking for unity in diversity

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01:27:04,790 –> 01:27:06,880
that’s why they started universities

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01:27:06,880 –> 01:27:09,710
they were looking for unity in diversity

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that’s what America was founded a plural

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01:27:12,380 –> 01:27:16,160
bus unum we have this whole search for

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01:27:16,160 –> 01:27:18,440
unity and diversity there’s no answer

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01:27:18,440 –> 01:27:21,140
why do we search for unity in diversity

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I believe because there was unity in

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diversity in the first course and in the

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01:27:26,570 –> 01:27:28,520
Godhead where there was love and

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01:27:28,520 –> 01:27:30,770
fellowship in the Father the Son and the

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01:27:30,770 –> 01:27:33,440
Holy Spirit there is unity and diversity

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01:27:33,440 –> 01:27:37,750
in the community of the Trinity that

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01:27:37,750 –> 01:27:42,500
reflection is given to us and if you go

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01:27:42,500 –> 01:27:44,060
through the scriptures you find

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01:27:44,060 –> 01:27:46,640
particular scriptures explaining how it

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01:27:46,640 –> 01:27:49,640
is and I will just say to you he is one

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01:27:49,640 –> 01:27:52,700
in one sense and three in another sense

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01:27:52,700 –> 01:27:56,690
and we need to recognize the very person

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01:27:56,690 –> 01:28:00,170
of God will ever remain a mystery that

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transcends the mere mathematical

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understanding we have ironically in the

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Koran uses the plurality in the first

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person we we we and even in the Islamic

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01:28:11,900 –> 01:28:14,030
faith they tell you not to blaspheme

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01:28:14,030 –> 01:28:16,280
against Mohammed or blaspheme against

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01:28:16,280 –> 01:28:19,340
the Quran you can only blaspheme against

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01:28:19,340 –> 01:28:22,460
God we don’t blasphemy each other we may

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01:28:22,460 –> 01:28:24,710
offend each other so even they very

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01:28:24,710 –> 01:28:28,310
subtly elevate to other sources into an

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01:28:28,310 –> 01:28:30,800
equal status we don’t need to elevate

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01:28:30,800 –> 01:28:33,320
them they’re already elevated given to

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01:28:33,320 –> 01:28:35,390
us in the Father the Son and the Holy

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01:28:35,390 –> 01:28:38,930
Spirit and in that try unity you start

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01:28:38,930 –> 01:28:40,460
off with this and I’ll close with this

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01:28:40,460 –> 01:28:45,440
now if you take one dimension you can

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01:28:45,440 –> 01:28:48,260
draw a straight line if you take two

2014
01:28:48,260 –> 01:28:51,020
dimensions you can draw figures if you

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01:28:51,020 –> 01:28:53,630
take three dimensions you can build an

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01:28:53,630 –> 01:28:56,690
object you move from finitude to

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infinity

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in our finitude we cannot have the 1 & 3

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01:29:00,100 –> 01:29:02,590
I believe in the complexity of the

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01:29:02,590 –> 01:29:05,110
infinity you climb up higher and higher

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01:29:05,110 –> 01:29:07,840
the ladder of possibilities and it is

2022
01:29:07,840 –> 01:29:10,600
possible in those that dimension in

2023
01:29:10,600 –> 01:29:13,330
which God exists it is no more difficult

2024
01:29:13,330 –> 01:29:15,430
to understand then how Jesus could be

2025
01:29:15,430 –> 01:29:18,400
God and man at the same time there is

2026
01:29:18,400 –> 01:29:21,160
that reality of very god of very God

2027
01:29:21,160 –> 01:29:23,590
very man of Mary man and I just say to

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01:29:23,590 –> 01:29:27,400
you know him and you will find out the

2029
01:29:27,400 –> 01:29:30,070
Father loved you the son offered himself

2030
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for you and the Holy Spirit indwells you

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01:29:32,920 –> 01:29:35,110
and because of that you can call him

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01:29:35,110 –> 01:29:39,330
Abba Father that’s it god bless you

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01:29:39,330 –> 01:29:43,960
let me close with this I’ll just I just

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01:29:43,960 –> 01:29:46,750
I close with this statement there’s a

2035
01:29:46,750 –> 01:29:48,850
book I co-authored with non Geisler my

2036
01:29:48,850 –> 01:29:50,290
professor it’s called

2037
01:29:50,290 –> 01:29:53,950
who made God and when we published that

2038
01:29:53,950 –> 01:29:55,750
book the pub the publisher thought you

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01:29:55,750 –> 01:29:59,200
know not go go very long it goes on and

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01:29:59,200 –> 01:30:02,290
on and on and on tens of thousands when

2041
01:30:02,290 –> 01:30:03,550
I wrote the book can man live without

2042
01:30:03,550 –> 01:30:05,050
God my wife was with me when the

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01:30:05,050 –> 01:30:07,000
publishers came and said this is too

2044
01:30:07,000 –> 01:30:09,670
sophisticated expect a shelf life of

2045
01:30:09,670 –> 01:30:13,570
about four to six months it has had a

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01:30:13,570 –> 01:30:17,890
shelf life now of 22 years and it is

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01:30:17,890 –> 01:30:19,570
still the number one selling book of all

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01:30:19,570 –> 01:30:21,490
that I’ve written people have questions

2049
01:30:21,490 –> 01:30:23,410
can man live without God with three

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01:30:23,410 –> 01:30:25,240
lectures deliver at Harvard University

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01:30:25,240 –> 01:30:27,490
in defense of the Christian faith get

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01:30:27,490 –> 01:30:29,020
hold of these read people like Lee

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01:30:29,020 –> 01:30:32,050
Strobel Josh McDowell Norman Geisler NT

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01:30:32,050 –> 01:30:35,110
Wright oz Guinness you find they will

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01:30:35,110 –> 01:30:37,300
feed your soul in ways that will bridge

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01:30:37,300 –> 01:30:40,560
this to this ultimately we are not heads

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01:30:40,560 –> 01:30:43,360
bouncing around or hearts floating

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01:30:43,360 –> 01:30:45,850
around you have to find the connection

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01:30:45,850 –> 01:30:47,890
to from the head to the heart that’s the

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01:30:47,890 –> 01:30:51,490
longest journey in life may God help you

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01:30:51,490 –> 01:30:53,830
accomplish that journey please pray for

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01:30:53,830 –> 01:30:55,570
us and Pastor Joe I once again want to

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01:30:55,570 –> 01:30:58,150
thank you sir for your hospitality or

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01:30:58,150 –> 01:30:59,980
kindness and your whole team that has

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01:30:59,980 –> 01:31:02,620
worked so hard at our Zia and we’ve

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01:31:02,620 –> 01:31:04,780
never had an event like this where we’ve

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01:31:04,780 –> 01:31:06,850
been invited well ahead in order just to

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01:31:06,850 –> 01:31:08,199
come alongside

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and Stan this team and I cannot tell you

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01:31:10,269 –> 01:31:13,150
what that means to us as a group of

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01:31:13,150 –> 01:31:15,999
apologists it is so affirming and so

2072
01:31:15,999 –> 01:31:18,400
encouraging may God richly bless you

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01:31:18,400 –> 01:31:21,039
and if our paths cross again I’ll try

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01:31:21,039 –> 01:31:23,139
and come up with some new stories god be

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01:31:23,139 –> 01:31:25,499
with you

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01:31:48,750 –> 01:31:53,500
thanks so much for coming tonight just a

2077
01:31:53,500 –> 01:31:55,480
couple things I know we have pretty much

2078
01:31:55,480 –> 01:31:57,760
taken Robbie and squeezed everything out

2079
01:31:57,760 –> 01:31:59,680
of them this weekend Friday Saturday and

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01:31:59,680 –> 01:32:01,570
Sunday so I know there are a lot of you

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01:32:01,570 –> 01:32:03,550
there are several thousand people on

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01:32:03,550 –> 01:32:06,610
this campus and there are a bunch of you

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01:32:06,610 –> 01:32:08,980
that want to meet him or have him sign

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01:32:08,980 –> 01:32:10,449
books or anything we’re going to whisk

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01:32:10,449 –> 01:32:12,730
him back because he’s got to be

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01:32:12,730 –> 01:32:14,590
exhausted by now and that’s just to

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01:32:14,590 –> 01:32:18,070
protect him and his health so thanks for

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01:32:18,070 –> 01:32:18,820
your understanding

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01:32:18,820 –> 01:32:21,310
second thing is there are a number of

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01:32:21,310 –> 01:32:23,650
resources out in the atrium for those of

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01:32:23,650 –> 01:32:25,360
you on this campus and we’d love for you

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01:32:25,360 –> 01:32:28,739
to see those purchase those use those

2093
01:32:28,739 –> 01:32:31,449
that would be a great great opportunity

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01:32:31,449 –> 01:32:36,130
for you and then finally the parking lot

2095
01:32:36,130 –> 01:32:40,480
is packed the shuttle areas packed be

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01:32:40,480 –> 01:32:43,630
really careful be patient love each

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01:32:43,630 –> 01:32:48,130
other while you leave all right

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01:32:48,130 –> 01:32:50,980
but thanks everybody for coming in for

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01:32:50,980 –> 01:32:53,830
participating in this Micah 6:8 weekend

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01:32:53,830 –> 01:32:56,739
where we have joined in partnership with

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01:32:56,739 –> 01:32:59,199
Ravi Zacharias and you know now why

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01:32:59,199 –> 01:33:01,360
we’re so privileged to be a part so let

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01:33:01,360 –> 01:33:03,670
me close in prayer father in heaven

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01:33:03,670 –> 01:33:05,949
thank you for giving different gifts to

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01:33:05,949 –> 01:33:07,960
different people thank you for the way

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01:33:07,960 –> 01:33:11,500
that you have gifted Ravi and how you

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01:33:11,500 –> 01:33:14,190
have assembled this team that he has

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01:33:14,190 –> 01:33:17,860
Lord our prayer is that he would be

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01:33:17,860 –> 01:33:20,260
encouraged and strengthened that you

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01:33:20,260 –> 01:33:22,449
would protect him and I pray for this

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01:33:22,449 –> 01:33:25,270
vision of establishing this apologetic

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01:33:25,270 –> 01:33:28,060
center in Atlanta that is something we

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01:33:28,060 –> 01:33:30,040
so desperately need

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01:33:30,040 –> 01:33:33,940
as the church looking forward ahead to

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01:33:33,940 –> 01:33:35,739
the 21st century and all the challenges

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01:33:35,739 –> 01:33:36,820
that it brings

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01:33:36,820 –> 01:33:39,730
thanks for bringing for raising up

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01:33:39,730 –> 01:33:42,790
somebody like Ravi Zacharias I pray for

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01:33:42,790 –> 01:33:45,370
he and Margie and their whole family and

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01:33:45,370 –> 01:33:47,230
thanks for the opportunity for our

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01:33:47,230 –> 01:33:49,330
church to participate with them and

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01:33:49,330 –> 01:33:52,060
partner with them Lord we pray this in

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Jesus name Amen

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01:33:53,920 –> 01:33:57,660
thanks for coming god bless

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in the sickness a city

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