The yoga of time travel

Time, Space, and Consciousness, Part Two: The Possibility of Time Travel, with Fred Alan Wolf

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thinking aloud conversations on the

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leading edge of knowledge and discovery

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with psychologist Jeffrey Mishlove hello

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and welcome I’m Jeffrey Mishlove this is

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part two of our three-part series on

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time space and consciousness with dr.

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Fred Alan wolf also known occasionally

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as dr. quantum fred is the author of

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numerous books and I’ve had the

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privilege of interviewing him on

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virtually all of them space time and

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Beyond parallel universes the body

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quantum the spiritual universe the

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dreaming universe and more recently

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matter into feeling mind into matter the

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yoga of time travel and time loops and

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space twists how God created the

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universe

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welcome again Fred Thank You Jeffrey

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pleasure again let’s begin to talk about

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the yoga of time travel we were hinting

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at it more than hinting at it and we’re

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getting there we were getting there

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absolutely obviously any of the previous

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interview and I know that you’ve

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described yourself as a time traveler

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yes and I’ve had time travel experiences

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which we can also get into if you want

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to but let’s just talk about a little

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bit about the idea of the yoga of time

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travel because when I started

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researching more into the mind time

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connection I do want a lot of composers

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of music do when they want to produce a

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new piece they go to the ancient music

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pay places Stravinsky for example went

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to the to the folk music of the tribal

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people in Russia to create all of the

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petrushka and the rites of spring and

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all of his great marvelous music comes

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from these these wonderful folk songs so

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I went back and

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I went back in time to see what it what

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did the ancients think about time and so

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forth and it’s the the Indian

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philosophers are wonderful for this

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they’re just fantastic and the founder

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of yoga

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Patanjali was also he had a concept he

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called it

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kala van Cara which means cheating time

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and basically Yoga was a way of cheating

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time I think he meant keeping your body

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from aging a gene time in that sense but

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whatever it was he definitely could lead

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the concept was there there are

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wonderful stories in the Bhagavad Gita

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about what happens when a character who

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wants to experience more in life meets

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Krishna and he says Krishna show me

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something about the nature of time so I

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can experience more life which is okay

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but first would you would you bring me a

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cup of water from inside that house over

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there and so he goes to get a cup of

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water inside the house and he sees a

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beautiful woman in there he talks to her

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and he really loved Scientology he’s

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really in love with her he spends days

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and nights there he marries her he has a

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whole bunch of children everything comes

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on something is a huge storm and rain

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comes in the whole house and everybody

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in it is wiped out except him and he

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when he wakes for what he comes up would

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gets awakened from from being knocked

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out there standing Krishna and Krishna

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says where’s my cup of water

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but there are similar stories I know in

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the Sufi tales yes as well and they do

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seem to be pointing towards the idea

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that maybe an entire human lifetime can

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pass in an instant exactly exactly that

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the notion of relative time is a very

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key insight here into into the thinking

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process into my the nature of mind

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itself it’s it’s really a it’s really a

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big hint and so studying further into

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the indian philosophers including some

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of the modern ones like rama Maharshi

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who was also had amazing abilities to

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foresee things outside of space since

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i’m her stories about when a couple came

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to visit with him and before they could

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even say word he said well you this

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problem is solved back at your home in

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brazil go back to the bench that you

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were sitting on in the park there and

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discuss what you dusk was discussing

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there and there is the answer to your

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problem well these people never told him

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he was from brazil never even mentioned

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what city they were from or what park

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bench they were sitting at and he saw

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all this and he and he had this kind of

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amazing ability and he learned this is

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the secret to yoga time shovel he

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learned how to do it the way he did it

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was he completely let go of even living

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is a living being he just said i am

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nothing i become the great nothingness

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and he allowed himself to experience

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that let his nails grow his hair grow it

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he became a total mystic as i’ve heard

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the story ramana maharshi would go into

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a meditative state so deeply that rats

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would come and nibble on his testicles

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while he’s meditating and it didn’t seem

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to bother him it didn’t bother him he

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added this remarkable ability and he was

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an inverted time-travel

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Time Traveller’s I’m saying that his

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physical part of him which is just a

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sprinkle of dots in the time-space cube

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his mind is going into other Spreckels

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of dots into not only in his old body

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but into all the other bodies which is

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the story of Krishna so that he is

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beyond time he’s Lord of time and then

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we say at one point in the Bhagavad Gita

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I empty I am time exactly exactly and

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these are these stories were where my

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mind went to get to the modern version

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of these stories which is what modern

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physics is time is about time traveling

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and so I began doing serious research

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into what we know about going beyond the

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normal motions of time within the fields

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of physics and quantum physics is loaded

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with stuff and a lot of it when it first

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came out when we first were

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investigating that back in the seventies

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people thought that’s crazy having ideas

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like this but now it’s pretty much

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standard quo so there are many many

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exciting ideas that that that arise here

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we can get into any one of them so I’ll

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let you well it let me ask you about

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your own experiences okay well I’ve had

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a couple of very profound experiences

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this one I’m going to talk about now

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race on fight maybe even a little scary

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during the 70s I had spent some time in

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various foreign climes one place for

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another place and when I was at the

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towards the end of it I was I was living

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in England at the time I was a visiting

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professor at the University of London

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Birkbeck College and at that time I one

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time I was speaking with John heisted

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and David Bohm

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were the professors at that college

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would advise me to come there and they

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were talking about parallel universes

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and I’d gotten very excited about some

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of the things they were bringing up so I

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came home and I began thinking about

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something I was writing equations at my

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desk and so forth and I’ve feverishly

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and I got very tired so I went to bed

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next thing I know is I woke up and I’m

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in this really weird room

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it’s a cylindrical room why I woke up I

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mean I woke up I was in that room I

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wasn’t it wasn’t like I was having a

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dream of being in that room I was

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present in the room a layer of my my

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hands my legs I was on the dirt floor I

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felt a fully conscious

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I felt fully conscious not that I could

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touch the wall on feeling I mean all of

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my basic sense8 modes were operating and

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I was what what the heck am I doing here

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and and that I thought wow this is

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really interesting feeling and as soon

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as I felt exuberant I noticed I was

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drifting up off the floor floating and

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then I got skewered and I started to

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come down though wow I can control

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whether I go up or down by feeling

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elated or feeling frightened frightened

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condenses me feeling elated opens me and

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at that moment somebody entered the room

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and I said oh it was shocked I said oh

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I’m sorry I’m new here he said I know

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that come with me mm-hmm

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this is like you know a shaman a guru

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what is it this is before I wrote the

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book about the shamans so I what what is

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it what is his experience so I followed

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him and we walked out into from an

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enclosed room where there was sunlight

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coming in we walked out into this

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beautifully visted green lawn rolling

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lawns beautiful blue sky and clouds and

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it was one of those

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beautifully spiritual days that once in

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a while you have the experience of it’s

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a it’s a wonderful feeling I mean music

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is made about this paintings are drug

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are made about this kind of feeling that

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one has in this kind of wonderful

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territory expansion of green and blue

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and white and whatever the heavenly sort

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of space more or less but earthly at the

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same time very much so

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and he brings me to a circle of people

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they’re sitting around on stone a stone

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hedge that big circle and always people

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are sitting there looking at to the

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center and he brings me in and I’ve sit

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down one of the one of the spaces and

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suddenly a look up and it’s a woman on

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the opposite side of me just opposite

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and she gets up and she says hello hello

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who are you and I said well I I guess

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I’m here I didn’t know how to answer

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that question and she said oh you’re

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very interesting you’re new here and I

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said well I guess I am and then she

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started to approach me and as she did I

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started looking at her eyes and just

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like the Beatles were liaise where I

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started at whirl and I became frightened

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and I said oh wait a minute

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I may be new here but I I know I want to

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get out of here I’m gonna get I started

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to to do the mechanism which gets you

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out of one parallel world into another

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you yell bloody murder and I started

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screaming and next thing I’ll pop up in

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the bed sleeping next to my girlfriend

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at that time Nancy and I’m fully awake

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oh I just had a dream that’s I’m awake

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I’m totally awake and I I won’t Nancy

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and I started explain here what I just

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experienced and she thought that was an

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incredible experience and we then went

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to visit with the Druids because she was

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involved with the Druids at that time

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and the druid master and she encouraged

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me to look tell the master what you had

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your dream and I described it to him and

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they first year after what am i and I

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said I’m a physicist and I described my

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dream Gillman he spoke with a Scottish

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accent accent and his name was mom and

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he’s the master mom said you wanted a

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bit too careful away yes Lottie buddy

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what do you mean it’s the world water

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you didn’t take down a name of my dress

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why don’t you find out well as she lives

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I said never occurred to me and Wiggy

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the more I began to think about it I had

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the feeling that this wasn’t an earthy

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row yes I was in some kind of you know

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they speak about the middle world

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between the time you leave this planet

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to go to wherever you go next there’s a

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middle realm and there’s adjustments

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have to be made because you’re after all

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going through a pretty big adjustment

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whether three birth or whatever you’re

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going to go through and I was in they

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this after world this life after death

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well some people might call it the

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astral plane the astral plane that’s

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right and so for me this became very

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real and it was what my future was icing

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into my own future that this is where

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I’m going to be going when I leave this

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mortal coil what was it I don’t know

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another time when I was doing research

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on my book

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the Eagles quest your book on shamans

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and shamanism where I traveled into

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South America and other parts of the

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world including Believe It or Not

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shamans in England I found them to as

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well as a Native American shaman yes

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we did an interview on that we did an

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interview on that one and the one of the

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things that happened during that that

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period was that I had a dream this is

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while before I even knew it was going to

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Peru that I was involved in a ceremony

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in Peru and I was to be sacrificed by

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the Peruvians and I remember maidens

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were touching my body and anointing me

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and whatever and then the shaman came up

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and put a knife right into my heart and

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that awakened me and I thought whoa what

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kind of dream is that I the next thing

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six months later

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my shaman who had met in New Mexico

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shortly after that period or during that

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period I’m not sure would invited me to

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come to Peru to meet his shamans and

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while I was there I came in June just at

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the time that they have a special

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ceremony which takes place in the upper

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part of Cusco in cusco uh so I was on my

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own I wasn’t invited to go to cause guys

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I said I want to see couscous so I went

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there and was the city the oldest city

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in the Americas that’s right so I went

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there and during the time was there a

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special ceremony was going on and in the

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ceremony were the same shamanic priests

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that were in my dream okay and instead

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of sacrificing me they were sacrificing

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a llama

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oh so this is pretty profound this is

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all what you’re suggesting is that these

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experiences are more than mere fantasy

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now they’re not fantasies because while

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you’re easy see fantasies are things you

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just whimsically think about or

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whimsically have or there

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when you’re having a real experience in

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a kind of dream mode it’s not a fantasy

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it’s more your they’re experiencing it

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in the same way that you’re experiencing

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this life at this waking period of your

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experience it’s the same it’s you you

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only know it’s a dream because you can

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remember how you got there and how you

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got there was when you went to sleep and

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that’s the only thing that tells you

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that you’re not really dreaming I’ve had

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several those experiences what time I I

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i woke up on a house and uh i looked in

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the mirror it wasn’t my face that’s all

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this can’t be me who is this guy i’m

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looking at me so there are several these

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are stories or indications to me that

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mine does not contain direct and with

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the quality that seems to unite these

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experiences for you is that they were

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all very real you were lucid i was very

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lucid more maybe more lucid than than i

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may even be in waking life I understand

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that but also also I know in psychology

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there is a phenomenon known as lucid

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dreaming where yes people experience

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them themselves as as being awake but

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they are also in a dream that’s right

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that’s right and this is you’re

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describing something even different from

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that it’s like that it’s like that the

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the it in some ways the only thing that

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tells you that you’re not dreaming or

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that you are dreaming is that you could

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remember how you got to where you got to

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your past is only goes so far as to when

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you went to sleep so you can remember

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that occasion you don’t remember being

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in that world before you went to sleep

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but you’re not remembering that you’re

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sleeping when you’re having the

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experience well it sounds like also

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you’re talking about that’s a much time

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travel but travel to a realm

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out of time maybe but remember with the

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in thei Rami he experienced the one

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Andrew was I had dreamt about that that

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came his future right in the future well

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you know Sofia Kara gula yeah I kaya

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Trista’s written a book that came out

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back in the 60s called higher sense

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perception and she described a patient

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of hers woman she called Diana who had

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dreams night after night after night of

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being in a classroom and receiving a

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variety of mystical teachings it with a

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group of other people and on one

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occasion she did what the Scottish druid

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recommended that you do she is she

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actually was able to identify an

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individual who was in her dream

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repeatedly night after night and later

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on managed to contact that individual

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who lived across the country

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someone she never had met before but it

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was a name and she was able to locate

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that person and he reported that he was

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having the same dreams Wow

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so there’s 20 part does appear to be

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some sort of a I guess you could call it

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a consensus reality about some of these

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experiences you know the normal way

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people talk about that is connection but

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that’s not the right word it’s all one

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to begin with it’s not connecting

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anything because they’re experiencing

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the oneness out of which they’re having

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a separate Sibley scribes earlier the

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nature of the photon itself that’s right

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so it’s photonic it’s like yeah it’s

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mine photonic in that sense it’s not

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expect out bound by space and time it’s

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as if there’s only one photon in the

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whole universe and it’s everywhere at

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all time one time John Wheeler gave a

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call to his student Richard Fineman at

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the time of Richard Feynman was in

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graduate school at Princeton and said to

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him I know why electron what I I know

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why electrons can go forward and

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backward

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I’m and fireman says well what do you

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mean he says well there’s only one

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electron and it’s zipping around forward

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and backward in time and that was that

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was one of his intuitions of John

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wheelers intuitions and and it’s

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surprising that I mean he was such a

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mystic well surely there’s an enormous

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lore from almost every culture of

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experiences of the type you’ve reported

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there’s remote viewing experiences

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experiments showing the ability of the

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human mind the parapsychological

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literature is a hundred and fifty years

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old now and right there there hundreds

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and hundreds of fascinating cases but in

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physics we’re getting to the point where

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physicists are seriously looking at the

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possibility that we might at some point

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travel through time in in a physical way

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yes the this is this is a very serious

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enterprise right now and the question is

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what ways can we do this and people

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notice back at the time physicist Kip

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Thorne and some of his associates at

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Caltech had come up with the idea that a

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black hole wormhole type of black hole

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which is really a black hole what you

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enter one universe to come out on

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another one or enter in one place and

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come out in another place that’s far

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distance because of the bending of

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space-time yes that it’s possible that

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you could take the two ends of a

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wormhole and you can ship one off into

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the future and leave one in the past

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such that if you were to shoot through

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the wormhole and go in no time up to the

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from from the past into the future you

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would not have aged and if you go from

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the future back to the past you would

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not have aged but people on or not in

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the wormhole would normally eight right

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so you have the possibility of a

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wormhole time machine in which all kinds

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of interesting stories can be told and

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one of them

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is in my book the yoke of time travel

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yes so the idea of wormholes

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the problem with wormholes is that

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nobody knows how to keep them open long

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enough to have this happen because a

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wormhole is kind of like a it’s like it

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I mean it’s it’s it’s in space and time

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and gravity gravity gets into this which

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is another question about what it does

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but gravity wants to choke the wormhole

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off so you need something which is

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anti-gravitational that’ll keep the

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wormhole from choking off and it’s

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believed that possibly dark energy could

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be odious a means because dark energy is

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causing the universe to accelerate in

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its expansion it’s acting in repulsive

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gravitational mode so it’s possible that

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that is a hint that there are wormholes

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of time travel all over the place and we

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just haven’t been able to really find a

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way to look for them right so who knows

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I mean it may be that dark energy is a

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hint to that well you know we’ve only

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had theoretical physical models of

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wormholes for less than a hundred years

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oh yeah what about 50 yeah one can well

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imagine that let’s just say a thousand

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years from now if human civilization

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survives physicists will be discussing

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the sorts of things that we’re talking

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about but they’ll feel like old hat

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right and recently we say within the

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last twenty years a physicist David

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Deutsch who is at Cambridge University

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in England began to think about the

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logic of time travel and he’s a genius

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at using quantum physics to talk about

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computation and the idea of quantum bits

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of computation called QED

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bits yes and in a quantum computer in a

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quantum computer is and he was wondering

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what would happen if you were to take a

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qubit and send it through a time loop

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back and then come back to where it was

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and interact with itself

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put it through having traveled back and

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forth in time yeah yes that’s right it

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it it enters a time loop and comes back

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and then it exits so in a certain sense

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it’s in two places at this quote at the

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same time but it’s kind of a bizarre

521
00:25:05,580 –> 00:25:08,519
thing to think about what would it do

522
00:25:08,519 –> 00:25:12,179
and in the book my book your gift I’m

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00:25:12,179 –> 00:25:13,529
Jeff well I began to look at what would

524
00:25:13,529 –> 00:25:17,039
happen if you had two travelers and one

525
00:25:17,039 –> 00:25:20,399
traveler is has a time machine with some

526
00:25:20,399 –> 00:25:22,590
kind of wormhole device and he’s moving

527
00:25:22,590 –> 00:25:24,750
along and the future is coming up and he

528
00:25:24,750 –> 00:25:27,919
thinks well I’m going to make a

529
00:25:27,919 –> 00:25:30,240
statement to myself I’m going to make

530
00:25:30,240 –> 00:25:34,860
this proviso if I do not pop if if I

531
00:25:34,860 –> 00:25:36,269
haven’t popped out of the time machine

532
00:25:36,269 –> 00:25:39,809
in which is in the past I haven’t

533
00:25:39,809 –> 00:25:42,120
appeared in the past before then I’m

534
00:25:42,120 –> 00:25:43,679
going to go into the time machine and

535
00:25:43,679 –> 00:25:47,190
travel back in time on the other hand if

536
00:25:47,190 –> 00:25:51,149
I do pop out and there’s be there and I

537
00:25:51,149 –> 00:25:53,279
got two of me then then neither of us

538
00:25:53,279 –> 00:25:55,820
will go into the into the time machine

539
00:25:55,820 –> 00:25:58,769
and two of us will be in the present

540
00:25:58,769 –> 00:26:02,309
will be in the present forever me and so

541
00:26:02,309 –> 00:26:05,519
leave the guy so if the guy so let’s say

542
00:26:05,519 –> 00:26:07,799
I’m the way to clone yourself yes

543
00:26:07,799 –> 00:26:11,029
exactly so let’s say I’m going along and

544
00:26:11,029 –> 00:26:13,889
and I’m moving and I’m aging as I’m

545
00:26:13,889 –> 00:26:17,789
going along and suddenly a a version of

546
00:26:17,789 –> 00:26:20,429
me comes out in in the past and there we

547
00:26:20,429 –> 00:26:22,889
are two of us aging and going on or

548
00:26:22,889 –> 00:26:26,549
let’s say that in one universe or let’s

549
00:26:26,549 –> 00:26:28,529
say I decide to go into that machine and

550
00:26:28,529 –> 00:26:30,899
I travel back and I come back out of the

551
00:26:30,899 –> 00:26:34,440
normal and there’s a paradox here how

552
00:26:34,440 –> 00:26:36,380
many how do you can do talking to do so

553
00:26:36,380 –> 00:26:38,490
Dortch came up with the idea well

554
00:26:38,490 –> 00:26:40,200
there’s parallel universes you can go

555
00:26:40,200 –> 00:26:40,800
into

556
00:26:40,800 –> 00:26:44,540
so think of the one tribe traveler who

557
00:26:44,540 –> 00:26:47,580
goes into a parallel universe comes into

558
00:26:47,580 –> 00:26:49,380
the second goes into the second parallel

559
00:26:49,380 –> 00:26:51,240
universe in which he already exists and

560
00:26:51,240 –> 00:26:53,190
the two of them go off together and they

561
00:26:53,190 –> 00:26:55,710
don’t time tell me of parallel universes

562
00:26:55,710 –> 00:26:59,100
suggest that there are maybe infinite

563
00:26:59,100 –> 00:27:02,010
number of us existing every time we

564
00:27:02,010 –> 00:27:04,320
confront a decision the universe splits

565
00:27:04,320 –> 00:27:07,950
apart and we actually yes actualize

566
00:27:07,950 –> 00:27:10,830
every possible choice yes that’s that’s

567
00:27:10,830 –> 00:27:13,650
one of the three this one a lot of time

568
00:27:13,650 –> 00:27:18,660
okay we’re up against time is a

569
00:27:18,660 –> 00:27:20,700
limitation but thank you so much for

570
00:27:20,700 –> 00:27:23,100
spending another delightful half hour

571
00:27:23,100 –> 00:27:26,970
with Thank You Jeffery and thank you for

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00:27:26,970 –> 00:27:29,670
being with us be sure to check your

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00:27:29,670 –> 00:27:31,800
listings for part three of our

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00:27:31,800 –> 00:27:35,430
three-part series on time space and

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00:27:35,430 –> 00:00:00,000
consciousness

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